Thinking about another 1911
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Big Dipper
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You continue to mention recoil. Given Newton’s third law “Third law:When one body exerts a force on a second body, the second body simultaneously exerts a force equal in magnitude and opposite in direction on the first body.” are you arguing that lower recoil is good? Seems to me that higher recoil equates to heavier impact.
Yes, lower recoil is good. We, as shooters have known this forever. Recoil impulse is not an indication of "power" as that can be subjective to the shooter, and to the gun
Its known now that there is zero benefit to the larger, heavier, and heavier recoiling .45acp over the 9mm or .40. Less recoil means less time off target, less recoil means faster splits. Less recoil means smaller (and more concealable) guns are more manageable
Ballistics are so close that the difference is immeasurable, but the cost, recoil, capacity and other factors are clearly in favor of 9mm. Its simple.
See, you agree that 9mm is a con in a 1911.
I’m glad we’re able to get past that.
Now, do you have experience with the Wilson EDC X9, specifically, that can can inform the discussion?
Except in my ORIGINAL comment, none of those reasons you mentioned were included in the equation.
ETA: See post 72.
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The idea that ".45acp started out better" is common, but it still cost more, had more recoil, and the difference between .45acp and 9mm fmj, while more obvious than 45 jhp vs 9 jhp, is very minor. Neither expand and both have great penetration
Add in the fact .45 is more expensive, more recoil, less capacity, and I'd still give the nod to 9mm.
Ballistically, no one pistol caliber is better than the other. FMJ or JHP.
The real factors are, once again, capacity, recoil, cost.
You are getting wrapped up in ballistics for no reason. Handguns suck for fighting, thats why people who fight carry rifles, not .45's with JHP's
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Big Dipper
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Given “The real factors are, once again, capacity, recoil, cost.” Go with a Ruger Charger and a BX-25
Now, back to the OP’s topic —- pleeeeese!
Now, back to the OP’s topic —- pleeeeese!
Hmmm. Just realized how they screw you at the drive thru.
WC offers an optimal magwell that accommodates both the 15rd and 18 rd magazines. It’s an $85 upgrade if ordered that way.
If you get the non-magwell frame, you’ve got send the frame back for machining at a cost of $200 in addition to the parts cost.
Most X9s in stock appear to be non-magwell. The ones that do have the magwell are going for much more than a $200 premium. But those also have other upgrades to go with.
WC offers an optimal magwell that accommodates both the 15rd and 18 rd magazines. It’s an $85 upgrade if ordered that way.
If you get the non-magwell frame, you’ve got send the frame back for machining at a cost of $200 in addition to the parts cost.
Most X9s in stock appear to be non-magwell. The ones that do have the magwell are going for much more than a $200 premium. But those also have other upgrades to go with.
Which shows a great ignorance of the weapons actually used in the large majority civilian self defense encounters.
Heck, given the choice artillery trumps rifles. By your logic, we should not worry about anything that isn't artillery. Silly.
Neener neener, still going to edc my "you had better hope it jams if I'm shooting at you" 1911.
I think the only parties not using 9mm were the Russians and the Japs.
Yes, but then capacity comes in.
Speaking of which :
https://concealednation.org/2019/09/firearm-review-rock-island-armory-bbr-3-10-sub-compact-1911/
Not in my post/ question.
