Thinking about another 1911

[Moonpie]

People people people. Please.
This is a thread about OP and 1911’s.


Please refrain from any and all tangent discussions that DO NOT HARASS OP FOR FAILING TO GET THAT WC 1911 NOW.

 

[easy rider]

People people people. Please.
This is a thread about OP and 1911’s.


Please refrain from any and all tangent discussions that DO NOT HARASS OP FOR FAILING TO GET THAT WC 1911 NOW.

Now I remember, 1974, pushing drugs, right?

 

[toddnjoyce]

Re: Ballistics. I interviewed everyone I could who’d been shot in the face with subject calibers.

They all died.

Philosophically, a pistol buys time to get to a rifle; I have a 458S upper on the way. Until then, 300BLk will have to do.

Who thinks Moonpie’s itch for pics will get satisfied before Cam finds out what firearm the Odessa jackhole used?

 

[easy rider]

Who thinks Moonpie’s itch for pics will get satisfied before Cam finds out what firearm the Odessa jackhole used?

You set the bar pretty high.

 

[TxStetson]

Re: Ballistics. I interviewed everyone I could who’d been shot in the face with subject calibers.

They all died.

Philosophically, a pistol buys time to get to a rifle; I have a 458S upper on the way. Until then, 300BLk will have to do.

Who thinks Moonpie’s itch for pics will get satisfied before Cam finds out what firearm the Odessa jackhole used?

Impressive, put out the fire of the current argument, inject a little reality, and throw in multiple digs from multiple threads in the same post. You Sir, win the internet today.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

But, but, but.....


Damn!

 

[oldag]

Range report?

 

[Moonpie]

OP is a slacker.

 

[zackmars]

115 gr has been the standard for 9mm for years. Hell, back in the day it was the ONLY loading.

Nope. Initial ww1 loading was 124 grains. Early into ww2 the germans transistions to a lightweight (less than 90 grain) load to save resources.

Europe had been using 124gr for pistols forever, 115gr became a thing mainly for use with SMG's.

And when the wonder nine revolution hit the US, it was with 124gr, obviously 115gr was super common, but using practice/plinking ammo as the "standard" just because its what's common is purposely missing the forrest for the trees

 

[Charlie]

Correct, 124 gr.!

 

[Moonpie]

 

[toddnjoyce]

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Even if it means going to Nagel’s?

 

[Moonpie]

Even if it means going to Nagel’s?

 

[Big Dipper]

.45 has roughly twice the momentum to impart on the target. Basic physics, that cannot be argued. Significantly larger expanded diameter, another basic fact that cannot be argued. Bigger hole equals more damage, more bleeding, more nerves screaming.

I have read and heard too many instances of 9 mm not stopping threats.

Obviously, others are free to make their own choices.

Just ask Gabby Giffords about the lethality of 9mm at point blank range.

 

[zackmars]

Sorry.
Are you saying improvements on the bullets across the three calibers are not equal?

I just presumed they were.


ETA: And I had stated that the improvements were equal.

They are not equal. The "technology" brings service pistol calibers to their limit, terminally. There's only so much you can do with something that is going less than 2000 feet per second

Thats why the real reason is capacity, recoil, and cost

 

[zackmars]

Just ask Gabby Giffords about the lethality of 9mm at point blank range.

Or 14 rounds of .45acp?

https://www.policeone.com/police-heroes/articles/6199620-Why-one-cop-carries-145-rounds-of-ammo-on-the-job/

But for real, anyone picking a defensive caliber on its ability to score a one shot kill is a moron. Its about STOPPING the threat, be it because the attacker died, or because he realized that getting shot probably sucks, even without getting hit

 

[ZX9RCAM]

They are not equal. The "technology" brings service pistol calibers to their limit, terminally. There's only so much you can do with something that is going less than 2000 feet per second

Thats why the real reason is capacity, recoil, and cost

Why aren't they equal?

 

[toddnjoyce]

Or 14 rounds of .45acp?

https://www.policeone.com/police-heroes/articles/6199620-Why-one-cop-carries-145-rounds-of-ammo-on-the-job/

Well, I mean those 14 rounds were from a Glock, so that’s basically like 9mm in a 1911.

 

[zackmars]

Why aren't they equal?

Because capacity, recoil, cost, availability, and variety of loads and firearms in that caliber are also factors. Factors that are more important than a 1 or 2% difference in ballisctics

As of today, 9mm wins gold in all of those factors

 

[zackmars]

Well, I mean those 14 rounds were from a Glock, so that’s basically like 9mm in a 1911.

Yeah, if it were a 1911, he'd get one shot off and die due to a FTF