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  • TexasRedneck

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    How long has Constitutional carry been languishing in Austin? I can go back to Dec of 2016 that says it was about to pass in Texas. We have seen other states pass us by. How long do you have to play political footsie before you get tired of it?

    Tell me how YOU would make it get passed.
     

    toddnjoyce

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    Tell me how YOU would make it get passed.
    The power battles between the Speaker and the Lt Gov have gotten old. Ever since Perry politicized a large part of the functional government of Texas, the Speaker has decided to distance themselves farther and farther from state party and state leadership priorities.

    The Lite Gov has to not just be on board, but it’s got to be a priority for him.

    What puzzles me over the last several sessions is the bifurcation of state GOP priorities and legislative priorities.
     

    Renegade

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    Tell me how YOU would make it get passed.

    You start with relationships with pro-gun representatives. This alone gets the bill introduced into both sides of the legislature which they failed to do prior session. You work with leaders to appoint pro-2A folks to key committees so your bills get heard and voted on. So that would be a start, and an improvement over where we are now.

    Basically you do what other pro-gun states have done to CC passed.
     

    Sublime

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    As a member of TSRA, AND actively involved - I can assure you that CC IS a priority. What you have to remember is that we have to work with the representatives YOU folks send to Austin - and many of 'em get vapors when you say the word "armed citizen". We can have YEARS of good PR destroyed with ONE dumb act - or one PRESENTED that way by a legislator intent on derailing CC, as we saw in the most recent session. The fight ISN'T over - and I'm hoping that others will do as I am - actively seeking out GOOD pro-2nd candidates and supporting their campaign efforts with $$$, even if they don't serve our area.

    Yeah I get that the TSRA PAC and Alice has to work with who is in Austin and the failure to pass CC this session was disappointing but I am more disappointed in the email TSRA/Alice sent out after the incident. It was filled with inaccurate information and you'll clearly took the side of Bonnen. Then when more information came out and after Empower Texan came out with their recording on Bonnen and now Rangers are investigating, it seems like TSRA/Alice have dug their feet in the sand even more. I am pretty sure the members do not want that kind of representation.
     

    RoadRunner

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    Tell me how YOU would make it get passed.

    You didn't ask me the question but I will answer it anyway.

    Since the GOA now has a representative in Austin I support them in every way possible. I also support TXGR. Those 2 are the only ones, that I know of, that are actually fighting for CC in Texas.

    TSRA is a NRA puppet and as such they do not want CC. The TSRA refuses to work with any pro-gun organization, they don't want the competition. They have actually been hindering the efforts of the other pro-gun organizations! A good example of this is the lies that TSRA was, and still is, telling about McNutt.
     
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    TexasRedneck

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    Since the GOA now has a representative in Austin I support them in every way possible. I also support TXGR. Those 2 are the only ones, that I know of, that are actually fighting for CC in Texas.

    I not only applaud you for that, I encourage you to do so even more.


    TSRA is a NRA puppet and as such they do not want CC. The TSRA refuses to work with any pro-gun organization, they don't want the competition. They have actually been hindering the efforts of the other pro-gun organizations! A good example of this is the lies that TSRA was, and still is, telling about McNutt.

    You're wrong - but you're convinced otherwise, so I won't attempt to dissuade you. Many of us have met with other pro-2nd groups, but there are times that the methodology differs - and at that point, we diverge. We have a line we won't cross - others won't agree with that, and that's okay.

    I'm TSRA - and I've told NO untruths about McNutt. I DID hold judgement until the bodycam footage came out, and in my mind that not only vindicated what he'd said all along, it laid bare the untruths that Bonnen had presented - and that was shared amongst a number of TSRA members.

    Tell me - what lies are TSRA telling with regard to McNutt - and when? I'm not talking about the initial reports - some people relied on Bonnen's side of the story (which I felt was a mistake - but he IS an elected state official, so his story SHOULD have been accurate). I'm a bit more cynical.... Further, there has been internal discussion about those initial comments, and concern about how it was all handled. If there's things currently being said, I'd like some documentation of it - not because I'm "calling you out" on it, but because it's apparently gotten by me - and I'll happily run it back up the chain to address it.
     

    RoadRunner

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    I not only applaud you for that, I encourage you to do so even more.

    You're wrong - but you're convinced otherwise, so I won't attempt to dissuade you. Many of us have met with other pro-2nd groups, but there are times that the methodology differs - and at that point, we diverge. We have a line we won't cross - others won't agree with that, and that's okay.

    I'm TSRA - and I've told NO untruths about McNutt. I DID hold judgement until the bodycam footage came out, and in my mind that not only vindicated what he'd said all along, it laid bare the untruths that Bonnen had presented - and that was shared amongst a number of TSRA members.

    Tell me - what lies are TSRA telling with regard to McNutt - and when? I'm not talking about the initial reports - some people relied on Bonnen's side of the story (which I felt was a mistake - but he IS an elected state official, so his story SHOULD have been accurate). I'm a bit more cynical.... Further, there has been internal discussion about those initial comments, and concern about how it was all handled. If there's things currently being said, I'd like some documentation of it - not because I'm "calling you out" on it, but because it's apparently gotten by me - and I'll happily run it back up the chain to address it.

    The lies that I am referring to is the ones that tripp was telling about McNutt. I had several email exchanges with her regarding her statements about McNutt being arrested. And she insisted that her statements were correct even after she knew that I knew the truth.

    Your carefully crafted statements could be considered mis-leading. Here is an example:

    ............. We can have YEARS of good PR destroyed with ONE dumb act - or one PRESENTED that way by a legislator intent on derailing CC, as we saw in the most recent session.......
     
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    Sublime

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    I think the email TSRA/Alice sent out after the incident is linked in another thread here on TGT. Maybe someone can search for it. I'm going to bed now. I'll check tomorrow. If the initial email is not linked, maybe I can search for it in my email. I know her responses to my questions are listed here in another thread. It was clearly against McNutt and in favor of Bonnen. Sure YOU are the TSRA. So am I and some of the others here as well BUT I link TSRA/Alice together because she was the one that sent the email out on behalf of the TSRA. Basically the association backed the wrong side and then once more info. came out not only did not apologize for it but didn't even make a correction to the initial email sent out.
    To a member such as myself, THAT is a problem. I am surprised you are not aware of that email TSRA sent out.
     

    TexasRedneck

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    I think the email TSRA/Alice sent out after the incident is linked in another thread here on TGT. Maybe someone can search for it. I'm going to bed now. I'll check tomorrow. If the initial email is not linked, maybe I can search for it in my email. I know her responses to my questions are listed here in another thread. It was clearly against McNutt and in favor of Bonnen. Sure YOU are the TSRA. So am I and some of the others here as well BUT I link TSRA/Alice together because she was the one that sent the email out on behalf of the TSRA. Basically the association backed the wrong side and then once more info. came out not only did not apologize for it but didn't even make a correction to the initial email sent out.
    To a member such as myself, THAT is a problem. I am surprised you are not aware of that email TSRA sent out.

    In that regard, I am not going to argue. I'll tell you honestly that I was beyond upset with it - especially given that I'd withheld judgement until such a time as I could verify more - in this case, when those bodycam recordings came out. I'm still not sure that going to his neighborhood was the wisest move ever made - but beyond a doubt, there was misrepresentation as to what transpired that day - and it certainly wasn't by McNutt. There are times when things get moving sideways that are difficult to correct - and sometimes we get hampered by "corporatism", where we tend not to say what we'd really want to say because we're trying to be measured in our responses. But I can tell you that behind the scenes, there have been some pretty brutal discussions on a variety of subjects - and the happenings of this last session are certainly among them.
     

    Renegade

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    TSRA is stuck with the same problem NRA has.

    The image of a single person is hampering the success of the entire organization. Yet many folks staunchly defend the person, despite the overwhelming evidence they are detrimental to the cause. In both organizations it is past time for confidants of both folks to take them aside and tell them it is time to retire with grace.
     

    TexasRedneck

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    I'd have to say it goes beyond a single person. The general perception is certainly not helped - but there's been a lack of attention to some things that IS being addressed. Some of it is little things - such as our recent website changes, and updating how things are done. For example, our latest gun raffle is actually available via the web/e-commerce. No filling out tickets manually and mailing them in - you can get them online. We're working towards making that a more common thing.....it'll make life easier for all, I think.

    The personnel issues....well, IMO they ARE different - but it's not as easy as telling someone to go away - you have to be prepared to replace them with a person that fits within the mission goals and job profile - but it will happen. That's really all I can say about that at this time.
     

    gshayd

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    IOW, you don't have an idea how to do it = but you're not going to pass by a chance to toss out an insult. Classy.
    I do have an idea get rid of Bonwell and the other hinderance Dan Patrick. Let's bring the bill to the floor and vote on it. My State Representative is James White who filed HB 1911 for Constitutional Carry. I write to him on these issues. I also joined Texas Gun Rights who is doing a full-court press for Constitutional carry and are not paying footsie with Bonwell under the table while giving lip service to Constitutional Carry. That sounds like an idea of how to do it to me. I am not sure of the Constitutional Carry position of Senator Nichols. I will be corresponding with him. Sounds like a plan to me.
     

    Davetex

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    I do have an idea get rid of Bonwell and the other hinderance Dan Patrick. Let's bring the bill to the floor and vote on it. My State Representative is James White who filed HB 1911 for Constitutional Carry. I write to him on these issues. I also joined Texas Gun Rights who is doing a full-court press for Constitutional carry and are not paying footsie with Bonwell under the table while giving lip service to Constitutional Carry. That sounds like an idea of how to do it to me. I am not sure of the Constitutional Carry position of Senator Nichols. I will be corresponding with him. Sounds like a plan to me.

    How would you go about executing this plan? You make it sound so simple.
     

    TexasRedneck

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    I do have an idea get rid of Bonwell and the other hinderance Dan Patrick. Let's bring the bill to the floor and vote on it.

    Do you know the process involved in getting the bill to the floor?

    Oh - and it's Bonnen. If you're going to go after someone, it's best to at least know their name.
     

    leVieux

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    Reading my TSRA magazine, I note that Alice Tripp's summary of her visit to the national NRA shindig didn't even mention the growing anti-LaPierre sentiment.

    Makes me wonder if the TSRA is really "representing" us nationally, or if they are among the NRA's LaPierre sycophants?

    Until now, I have always had great respect for the TSRA.

    leVieux
     

    RoadRunner

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    Reading my TSRA magazine, I note that Alice Tripp's summary of her visit to the national NRA shindig didn't even mention the growing anti-LaPierre sentiment.

    Makes me wonder if the TSRA is really "representing" us nationally, or if they are among the NRA's LaPierre sycophants?

    Until now, I have always had great respect for the TSRA.

    leVieux


    The TSRA is a NRA puppet organization here in Texas. It is not representing anything nationally, it is strictly a state organization. You will never hear anything negative about wayne lapierre or the NRA from alice tripp. You will also never hear alice tripp say anything negative about the Speaker of the Texas House, dennis bonnen.
     
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