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What can be done to counter the so-called mass shooting epidemic?

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  • Wildcat Diva

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    Freedom and liberty are necessarily unsafe and dangerous.

    In this most recent outbreak (that’s what it is) it’s reported that in 26 of the 27 most deadly events the murderer had an absentee father.

    https://www.patheos.com/blogs/markmeckler/2018/02/27-deadliest-mass-shooters-26-one-thing-common/

    Is that correlation? If so, it’s pretty weak, as it’s reported that 15 million American children live with their mother in a single parent family.

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/dec/25/fathers-disappear-from-households-across-america/

    That’s 0.000002% of the subject population that’s committed 26 of 27 mass murders using a firearm. ETA: that means with today’s US population, there’s likely six (6) people at any given time that would be tracking to become a mass murderer.

    While these events are a BFD, there has to be a balance between liberty and safety, and our constitution favors liberty, as evidenced in Bible Believers v Wayne County (6th US Circuit Court of Appeals):

    “We simply cannot accept Defendants’ (Wayne County Sheriffs Office) position that they were compelled to abridge constitutional rights for the sake of public safety"

    We will never be able stop these kinds of events and maintain any semblance of freedom or liberty.
    I concur.
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    Vaquero

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    5th grade should be mostly unsupervised.
    That's when attitudes get adjusted. At least they did on my day.
    You got your mouth shut by intimidation or by force, if necessary. If you felt "right enough", it got settled. Maybe not fair and square, but it got settled. A black eye or a bruise will heal and the lesson will last a lifetime. Being in your 20s and screaming like a 3 year old just don't hold water with me. Lotta folks need an ass whipping.
     

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    5th grade should be mostly unsupervised.
    That's when attitudes get adjusted. At least they did on my day.
    You got your mouth shut by intimidation or by force, if necessary. If you felt "right enough", it got settled. Maybe not fair and square, but it got settled. A black eye or a bruise will heal and the lesson will last a lifetime. Being in your 20s and screaming like a 3 year old just don't hold water with me. Lotta folks need an ass whipping.
    Schools are not going to allow all that. There are cameras everywhere.
     

    SQLGeek

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    My honest opinion?

    It's not going to get better in our society until there's some sort of major reckoning. It's something that will just happen, it's not something that can be legislated. It will be massive and it will be incredibly ugly.

    Incrementally taking guns away from first the "dangerous" and then everyone won't change it. Thrill killers and terrorists (the dictionary definition) are still going to kill. Especially if it still gets their names splattered all over Facebook and Twitter.

    I have given up hope that our society will ever be sane or rational. Therefore I want every means possible of defending myself and mine for when it completely goes to hell.
     

    Wildcat Diva

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    That's the problem.
    Oh I know. I saved my own kids from having to deal with that system, but it’s the norm for the vast majority. That system will continue to breed a few killers who will find a way to take control of their rage that’s been suppressed by the impossible situation that the public schools create. Boys can’t be boys there.
     

    Inspector43

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    The media is deep into the root cause and they won't admit it. Look at the programming. Everything is gun related. NCIS NO has a theme that is "boom, boom, boom, boom, bang, bang, bang, bang". Then they go on to blow up and shoot up NO. NCIS LA same thing. SWAT and Hawaii 50, how much can they blow up? Just a few examples.

    Put civics and corporal punishment back in the school room. When I was in grade school we stood up and sang one of the military hymns every week. USAF, USMC, US Army and US Navy were a big part of why we went to school and we sang their songs to recognize that regularly.

    remove our kids from the age of apologies.
     

    skfullgun

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    I deal with these oddballs. They aren’t even allowed to defend themselves in school if bullied. That might toughen them up.

    But:
    If they fight the bully, they will be placed in alternative school, cost their parents thousands of dollars in legal fees and have to interact with the legal system for years on end. The school has zero tolerance for any of that, and they also won’t do ANYtHING about the bullying. So the kids are not allowed to learn to cope in a natural way.
    That's a very skewed view. After 25 years in public education in Texas, I can assure you bullying IS addressed and self-defense was ALWAYS taken into consideration, even encouraged by those with whom I worked.

    More of an issue is that white male students are disenfranchised, belittled, and told they are the source of all problems.
     

    skfullgun

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    Funny thing about profiling. Last Sunday, while driving to town, we passed two country churches within 1/2 mile of each other. I'm talking gravel parking lots and white shiplap bldgs. Nothing to really set them apart.

    Pickups, 4x4 SUVs and Nissan sedans outside the first. Cadillacs and Mercedes with spinner hubcaps and gold accents parked outside the next Church. We did not see a single soul, but I can tell you the predominant skin tone inside each church based on those vehicles.
    Profiling?
    Stereotyping?
    Racism?
    Reality?
     

    MTA

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    Funny thing about profiling. Last Sunday, while driving to town, we passed two country churches within 1/2 mile of each other. I'm talking gravel parking lots and white shiplap bldgs. Nothing to really at them apart.

    Pickups, 4x4 SUVs and Nissan sedans outside the first. Cadillacs and Mercedes with spinner hubcaps and gold accents parked outside the next Church. We did not see a single soul, but I can tell you the predominant should tone inside each church based on those vehicles.
    Profiling?
    Stereotyping?
    Racism?
    Reality?
    Thats being realistic in my book
     

    Wildcat Diva

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    That's a very skewed view. After 25 years in public education in Texas, I can assure you bullying IS addressed and self-defense was ALWAYS taken into consideration, even encouraged by those with whom I worked.

    More of an issue is that white male students are disenfranchised, belittled, and told they are the source of all problems.

    Yep. It’s a skewed view I hear from kids over and over.

    I haven’t had one bullied kid tell me they were happy with how the school protected them.

    And it’s not even really self defense I’m talking about.

    It’s not self defense to pop a bully in the mouth when he’s humiliated you one too many times. That’s retaliation, and thus discouraged. But it might actually let them solve the problem themselves before it gets any bigger. But kids aren’t allowed to do that anymore.
     

    skfullgun

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    Yep. It’s a skewed view I hear from kids over and over.

    I haven’t had one bullied kid tell me they were happy with how the school protected them.

    And it’s not even really self defense I’m talking about.

    It’s not self defense to pop a bully in the mouth when he’s humiliated you one too many times. That’s retaliation, and thus discouraged. But it might actually let them solve the problem themselves before it gets any bigger. But kids aren’t allowed to do that anymore.

    I'm not gonna get into a pissing contest with you. But people who pull kids from public education are part of the problem. You wanna keep your kids at home and school them. They never learn to deal with reality.
    I was bullied. Sorry, but it's a normal thing. I was a big, chubby, peaceful kid and I got my arse kicked in the sixth-grade. My dad told me to stick up for myself or get used to it. They didn't pull me out for home school.

    The next year, I was surrounded by bullies while walking home. I held one down and made him eat grass. I stood up and asked who was next. I became a protector of bullied kids from then on and no one ever bothered me again. Other bullied kids asked me to go to the bathroom with them to protect them. I did.

    Growing up sucks. Being bullied sucks. Those who never learn to deal with bullies may someday become shooters.
     

    Wildcat Diva

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    Look, I went to public school and I was never bullied. So I, myself never learned to deal with bullies.

    That doesn’t mean I’m any closer to a being shooter than a homeschool kid who isn’t learning to deal with being bullied.

    I didn’t pull my kids from anything. They never went to public school in the first place.

    Public school, it’s really not a normal thing. It’s not “real life” in many ways. It’s an artificially created environment. I’ve never experienced anything else in my life like the public school secondary school environment since graduating 12th grade in 1988.

    Even college in a public funded school is very different; it’s nothing like elementary or high school.
     
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