Open Carry rules for Idiots....
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Where is that enumerated?
Legislating a concealment requirement doesn't infringe you ability to keep or bear.
Stormbringer
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A little something called the U.S. Constitution and a passage called the 2nd Amendment "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
Stormbringer
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How very civil a discussion and having nothing better to contribute but rude and condescending comments. Very adult. Feel free to disagree about open carry and list your own reasons why its not for you but many others feel it is an option and many other states have had open carry for years without incident. So calm down and discuss facts and your personal reasons for or against open carry but please refrain from rude and uncalled for comments that attack the poster...me or anyone else.
So if you're not being disallowed the ability to bear arms by a mere concealment requirement, what's the infringement?
I don't think he said he was against open carry, there was nothing in his post to even imply he felt any negative consequences would come from it.
He used a phrase very common in Texas and generally not considered rude unless you find vulgarity in general to be rude, in which case you could say "defecate on one hand". He simply made an assumption of your personality based on your posts, which is all we have to go on when conversing in this manner.
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Torchrider
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I am in Stormbringers court.
Infringe: : to limit or restrict (something, such as another person's rights).
Limiting your right to "Bear Arms" IS an infringement. How can you say it's not?
Because limiting HOW is different from limiting AT ALL.
2A doesn't give you a right to bear concealed arms - just to bear arms. It's entirely reasonable that a state could say "must be concealed" or "must be open" or anywhere in between, as long as the act of carrying is upheld.
Note: that's DIFFERENT from licensure. I'm not pro-license, but just because something is in the BoR doesn't mean its unregulatable... e.g. the "yelling fire in a crowded theater" case law.
Torchrider
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So limiting "HOW" you can bear arms is not an infringement in your mind?
Where do you draw the line? Isn't it a slippery slope?
How about "You can bear arms but it must be in a locked box on your person?" Is that an infringement of your right to bear arms?
Where do you draw the line? Isn't it a slippery slope?
How about "You can bear arms but it must be in a locked box on your person?" Is that an infringement of your right to bear arms?
We limit HOW based on a reasonableness test for almost every constitutional right.
Reasonable limitations on speech (criminal laws for threats, public endangerment, etc.).
ID to vote.
Religions can't sacrifice humans in the name of their god/s.
Exigent circumstances exceptions to warrantless search.
If I'm carrying a locked box, I'm not bearing an arm, I'm bearing a locked box. Bear, in this context, means "equipped," and if I can't use it like equipment, it's not equipped, so that infringes my ability to bear. Lets not be ridiculous. Requiring concealment doesn't prevent you from bearing arms.
Torchrider
Active Member
My understanding of the 2nd amendment is different than yours. "Shall not be infringed" is as clear as it gets to me. As far as I know, there is no other amendment which uses that language. I believe our second amendment has been infringed on many levels - limiting how you can carry is just one. As we are no longer legally permitted to call each other out to a duel, I guess we will just have to agree to disagree. That's the reasonable thing to do. Have a good afternoon. :-)
I smell popcorn.
Torchrider
Active Member
That's what's great about this country. We can disagree and nobody goes to prison.......usually. 
Torchrider
Active Member
Double tap...
I think this is the crux of it - everyone has THEIR OWN reason for when, and it doesn't need to and shouldn't have to measure up to the next guy's approval.
Me, I've found the "It would be great if..." to flow from OCing while working/recreating on private land and I don't want to have to change out of my work gear just to run to town and into the store. Having no secure place in the truck, the safest place for the firearm is under my control on my person. I have no idea if I'll OC in other circumstances, but great having the option.
My reason may not be what the next person's reason is. But I don't need the next guy's opinion and he won't get mine unsolicited. At the end of the day, I'm responsible for me, you're responsible for you.
To be fair TXI the sun gleaming off your bald head probably blinded people so they couldn't actually see the weird bulge in your pants.
In all seriousness I CCed a Colt Commander for a good while. Took some effort and I'm sure most of it was "act like you belong/confident/you know what you're doing" and everyone else won't know the difference. If you've seen me, you know there ain't a lot of real estate.
It definitely can be done but sometimes it's really tough and the effort outweighs it. I switched to a smaller carry and it's much much easier and comfortable.
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Stormbringer
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This is the typical "liberal" argument. The "Progressive Liberals" have been eating away at our God given freedoms since the beginning and all we do as law abiding citizens is take it and let them have their way eroding our rights a little bit here and there till we are afraid to exercise those very God given rights.
As a result, look at how Political Correctness has infected our society. This Political Correctness is now infecting some of our thoughts regarding the free exercise of our right to Open Carry. We should be defending our Constitutional rights and start taking back our freedoms guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution - we are the "We the People" in the Preamble of that amazing document. Seems a few here on this forum should take the time to read for the first time or re-read the U.S. Constitution and understand what is happening in our society and whether we are defending it or helping to erode those God given rights and freedoms.
