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  • Acera

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    Here is a photo of Bill Brophy's .50 BMG sniper rifle he used during the Korean War.

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    that guy probly worked in one of those buildings on base with no windows in it.
    What year would that have been, late 70s maybe?

    I either never saw or paid attention to the building they went into but I vaguely remember hearing something about buildings with no windows. This was 2003/4.

    Most top secret stuff I saw was so boring it isn't worth mentioning at all (firefighters occasionally get to see that stuff if there is some fire threat present). It's not like you open some door marked "Top secret" and step inside to find god-like enlightenment, Alex Jone's id, or that warehouse from Indiana Jones. Most of the time you get to see plain white offices with desks, cubicles, and computers. Imagine the most stereotypical soul-sucking office and you've pretty much seen the inside of a top secret building. Oh, yeah, the buildings I was in definitely had no windows.

    But now that I've told you all that, of course my handlers are going to to "Disappear" you.
     

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    It's also a great way to make yourself a target for foreign governments. The odds are slim, but still, it would sure be a drag to get kidnapped and tortured over it. Loose lips sink ships, and all.

    Not quite, you can acknowledge that you are cleared Top Secret (TS)/Sensitive Compartmented Information (SCI) or Special Intelligence (SI)/TALENT KEYHOLE (TK) as appropriate. You also can say you have/had a Special Background Investigation (SBI) and/or polygraph along with dates of the polygraph; but that's about it. You cannot mention a SAP or other programs however.

    People do it all the time on resumes and online job search websites, and there is nothing in the Defense Security Service regulations against it.

    The old "I could tell you but I'd have to kill you" line only works in Navy Officer Clubs!

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    Maybe things have changed since I retired and I know they have in MANY ways, in fact I barely understand an enlisted or officer when they speak of the current Army, sounds alien to me.

    I was taught the only info you give out is that you have a clearance, that is IT! In fact any more than that and why bother to even have a clearance system. If I told you the level of my highest clearance and its modifiers along with even the installation I was at, you are an enemy agent could pinpoint almost exactly what I did.

    So if what you said in your post is true then we have no secrets today from anyone....

    My father was career military, 28 years. I have no idea what my dad did post WWII, NONE. After he died I got ahold of his Per Jacket, which was heavily redacted. I grew up knowing that if the fone rang afer 8 pm a military vehicle would arrive within the hour and dad was gone. We wrote him letter addressed to Kelly AFB in spite of the fact we lived almost in walking distance, we did not know where he was, or when he would return. I learned he was classified as a 'native' Russian speaker and fluent in Japanese, Chinese and German, had gone to advanced engineering schools in communications and atomic energy, was a regular briefer to the POTUS and he was in Vietnam in 1958. All that I found out AFTER he died.

    He spoke very rarely. But one time in the early 70's he and I were talking and some how Project Blue Book came up and he said yea, he has some involvement. I was drop jawed. So I asked him direct, he he and I in the room. Dad do you think this 'flying saucer' stuff has any reality to it at all? That was the only time my dad looked at me and said "no comment"

    I was once waiting at walmart to get new tires (NOTE: do not to go to walmart for tires).
    There was an older guy there, mid sixties looking, and we got to talking. He said he went to Nam and that he was a sniper, so I thought to myself "here we go". I asked him what he shot. He said a fifty. I pretty much stopped the conversation after that.
    I wasn't in the service, but I come from that type of family, and can sniff BS from a long ways off when it comes to that.

    "M2 as a sniper rifle

    The M2 machine gun has also been used as a long-range sniper rifle, when equipped with a telescopic sight. Soldiers during the Korean War used scoped M2s in the role of a sniper rifle, but the practice was most notably used by US Marine Corps sniper Carlos Hathcock during the Vietnam War. Using an Unertl telescopic sight and a mounting bracket of his own design, Hathcock could quickly convert the M2 into a sniper rifle, using the traversing-and-elevating (T&E) mechanism attached to the tripod and a bolt-on pistol grip kit that converts the M2 to fire semi-automatically by activating the trigger on the side plate to assist in aiming at stationary targets.[SUP][citation needed][/SUP] When firing semi-automatically, Hathcock hit man-size targets beyond 1,800 metres (2,000 yd)—twice the range of a standard-caliber sniper rifle of the time (a .30-06 Winchester Model 70). In fact, Hathcock set the record for the longest confirmed kill at 2,250 metres (2,460 yd), a record which stood until 2002, when it was broken in Afghanistan by Canadian Forces sniper Arron Perry.[SUP][52][/SUP][SUP][53]"

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M2_Browning

    While Carlos did and it was tried in the Korean war it was far from being a deployed weapons system for that purpose. It was more of a 'home brew' setup requiring it to be modified at the user level for single shot and scope attachment.


    I went in '67, retired in '94: In about the past say 1/2 dozen years or so I have met more COMBAT/SNIPER/SOCOM (SEAL, RANGER, SF etc etc) than I ever knew or came in contact with in my entire military career, half of which was in a combat TO&E unit.
     

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    Maybe you should have listed to him some more, you might have learned something..................

    Ever heard of a guy named Carlos Hathcock? Does he have any credibility with you???

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    I know who Hathcock was. And other than Hathcock and the 1 other guy who used a homebrew 50 cal rifle mentioned in this thread, I doubt there wasn't a handfull of guys using 50 cals. Did the guy I talked to serve in Nam? Very likely. Did he use a .50 cal "sniper" rifle? Very very very unlikely.
     
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    I know who Hathcock was. And other than Hathcock and the 1 other guy who used a homebrew 50 cal rifle mentioned in this thread, I doubt there wasn't a handfull of guys using 50 cals. Did the guy I talked to serve in Nam? Very likely. Did he use a .50 cal "sniper" rifle? Very very very unlikely.

    Glad to know your extensive research and background knowledge led you to discount him based on a single statement, which may or may not be true. CH was not the only one, sniping with a .50 has been around almost as long as the .50 itself. You don't have to have a school certificate hanging on the wall, a patch on your uniform, be in a designated sniper slot in your unit, low crawl a thousand yards with a spotter, etc. to be a sniper. There is no minimum requirement of 'kills' either. Lot of folks were put into positions where they were doing a sharpshooter job, sniping the enemy. From the vets I know, a lot of improvised tactics and improvised weapons were used to get their jobs done. Units did things outside the TO&E. Just don't understand how you can say for a fact that the man you talked to never once used a .50 BMG to snipe at the enemy.
     

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    Maybe things have changed since I retired and I know they have in MANY ways, in fact I barely understand an enlisted or officer when they speak of the current Army, sounds alien to me.

    I was taught the only info you give out is that you have a clearance, that is IT! In fact any more than that and why bother to even have a clearance system. If I told you the level of my highest clearance and its modifiers along with even the installation I was at, you are an enemy agent could pinpoint almost exactly what I did.

    So if what you said in your post is true then we have no secrets today from anyone....

    I've had clearances since the very early 1980s, and it's been pretty much the same every since I was first read in...there has never been a problem letting people know your level of access. Telling someone I have a TS/SCI and work on Lackland doesn't tell them squat about what I do. Plus, if the government really wanted to protect that information, they would make it classified; but for the majority of people it is not.
     

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    I either never saw or paid attention to the building they went into but I vaguely remember hearing something about buildings with no windows.
    lol... All my time in the military was spent in buildings with no windows. In fact my desk was inside a safe, and that safe was in a larger safe.


    Most top secret stuff I saw was so boring it isn't worth mentioning at all
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    I've had clearances since the very early 1980s, and it's been pretty much the same every since I was first read in...there has never been a problem letting people know your level of access. Telling someone I have a TS/SCI and work on Lackland doesn't tell them squat about what I do. Plus, if the government really wanted to protect that information, they would make it classified; but for the majority of people it is not.

    Whoaa, you are changing rules on me: This is what you said the first time: "TNot quite, you can acknowledge that you are cleared Top Secret (TS)/Sensitive Compartmented Information (SCI) or Special Intelligence (SI)/TALENT KEYHOLE (TK) as appropriate.."
    Lot different that the post above, but even there a good intel agent has a LOT of info to work with and in a short time could pin point what you did.

    I can tell you for a fact if I gave even the basic info and the location a bad actor could figure it out. I will assure you had my father heard you give out that info to a non-need to know individual, immediately if not sooner you would be standing in front of your Commander and I can assure you it would not be a good day.

    Got my first clearance in April 1965.

    Do you still have that LJ Wrangler? I had an '06 LJ Rubicon, one of my favs....
     

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    I went in '67, retired in '94: In about the past say 1/2 dozen years or so I have met more COMBAT/SNIPER/SOCOM (SEAL, RANGER, SF etc etc) than I ever knew or came in contact with in my entire military career, half of which was in a combat TO&E unit.

    Lol ... and that includes the 5th SFG O'club in Nha Trang...
     

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    What the hell do you do if there's a fire?
    Run before the halon comes on.

    Pick a side, close the door.
    The real plan was to line up single file and go out the door, but my office was in the very back of the larger safe. Closing the door and hoping the air doesn't run out was probably the only realistic thing I could have done.
     
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    Major sponsor drops 'Dual Survival' star; Teti fires back at critics


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    The Discovery Channel is not commenting on the status of its relationship with 'Dual Survival' star Joe Teti, a former Marine and Special Forces soldier who is fighting charges of stolen valor over his combat record. (Discovery Channel)





    By Jon R. Anderson
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    Discovery Channel officials have gone dark, maintaining radio silence over the fate of Joseph Teti, even as support for the “Dual Survival” reality show co-star continues to erode.

    Cabela’s hunting and sporting goods chain, one of Teti’s main sponsors, cut ties with him over the weekend.
    Since joining “Dual Survival” last year, Teti had become the centerpiece for Cabela’s special events. As recently as Sept. 16, he was booked by the chain for the grand opening of a store in Oregon.

    The move comes in the wake of the Special Forces Association publicly disavowing Teti last week and amid a growing chorus of detractors calling on Discovery to fire him. The association’s leaders decided to strip Teti of his membership after some two dozen current and former Special Forces soldiers came forward with allegations of misconduct against Teti.

    “In light of the Special Forces Association’s revocation of Joe Teti’s membership, Cabela’s has ended its association with Teti,” the chain said in a brief statement on its Facebook page.

    The “Special Forces Poser Patrol” added Teti to its “Wall of Shame” around the same time.
    “So Discovery, are the Pink Slips being handed out asap?” reads one of many of comments calling for Teti’s ouster on the “Dual Survival” Facebook page and other online outlets.

    Discovery officials, however, aren’t saying anything. Repeated calls, emails and texts from Military Times also have gone unanswered.
    And now Casio, another Teti sponsor, is considering breaking ties as well.

    “It’s under review,” says David Johnson, vice president of Casio’s timepiece division. “We are aware of the stuff that’s come out. The timing is unfortunate because we just started this relationship with the guy.”

    The watchmaker signed Teti in August to help promote its new line of Pro Trek watches.
    “We’re gathering as much information as we can, and we’ll make a decision in the very near future,” Johnson tells Military Times.
    Meanwhile, Teti is firing back at his critics.

    In a long statement posted on his official “Dual Survival” Facebook page, Teti responded to claims that he had falsified or inflated his military résumé.
    “I take my service to our country very seriously and I challenge anyone to produce substantiated evidence that I am a Stolen Valor candidate,” Teti writes.
    According to the biography on his personal website, Teti “is a former Force Recon Marine, Army Special Forces ‘Green Beret,’ and a former operator in a highly classified government counter-terrorist unit.”

    Teti has been the focus of criticism since joining “Dual Survival” last year. He replaced David Canterbury, another Army veteran, who was fired from the show after allegations surfaced that he had lied about some of his military qualifications.
    While Canterbury later apologized to his fans, Teti is offering no signs of surrender.

    Critics say Teti has claimed sniper and combat diver qualifications he never earned, while also calling himself a “combat veteran” even though he never served in a combat zone while in the military.

    “I have never commented nor have I posted in any media information pertaining to medals I have or don’t have, or service that I did or did not perform. I do call myself a combat veteran, which I am, and this has been used by some to discredit me and make it appear I am a person of Stolen Valor,” he wrote.
    Teti also downplayed the Special Forces Association’s decision to revoke his membership, writing that the group “is not part of or connected to the U.S. Army Special Forces.”

    “My membership expired with this organization and I have recently been informed that I am ineligible to renew,” he writes. ■


    Major sponsor drops 'Dual Survival' star; Teti fires back at critics | Military Times | militarytimes.com






     

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    Lol ... and that includes the 5th SFG O'club in Nha Trang...
    GREAT friend of mine was SF, 3 Tours in Vietnam, career soldier. But few folks would know what a true hero he was. He was submitted for the CMoH. He rarely wore all his ribbons. Even tho he outranked he and I became close friends.

    How tight lipped was he. He passed away recently and I spoke with one of his two sons. One just retired, he was a COL Bde Co, SF/Ranger, the other SF/Ranger Command Sgt Maj. I told them stories about their own Dad they did not know and had never heard.
     
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    I had to read my father's arbitrary to find out he served in WW2.

    He only had three pictures he kept. One was an army portrait of him in class B's. E6.

    The other pictures were of a bulldozer. Filling in bomb craters in Korea.

    Of what I know, he had been an combat engineer. Worked his entire life atop a tractor. Catapiller 12G.

    He prolly spoke of the military, 3 times, in the 32 years I had known him.




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    I have a friend who served in Vietnam who told me the best way to spot a fake Nam vet is to ask, "Those MPCs were some bad motherfuckers, huh?" MPC is a military payment certificate. I tried it on one guy at a bar who had a very dangerous reputation and he looked at me cross, then laughed under his breath and started shaking his head. We later became quite friendly and I told him what it was all about, which made him like me anymore since that told him another Vietnam vet liked me enough to tell me that.
     

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    I have a friend who served in Vietnam who told me the best way to spot a fake Nam vet is to ask, "Those MPCs were some bad $#@!ckers, huh?" MPC is a military payment certificate. I tried it on one guy at a bar who had a very dangerous reputation and he looked at me cross, then laughed under his breath and started shaking his head. We later became quite friendly and I told him what it was all about, which made him like me anymore since that told him another Vietnam vet liked me enough to tell me that.

    OK, time for another war story:

    I was working with the 173rd Abn durning the transition in '68 (early IIRC) we were setup in S Bong Song AO on Twin Bridges. Word came down they were going to change the MPC and they would only swap so much to field units because of the amount of cash to be hauled would limit it.

    Over on the main road which linked the Twin Bridges (there were in fact 2 bridges each with one way traffic) there was the standard coke stands, massage parlors etc. Not big mind you but enough of them to support a Bn size Operation on the other side of the river. The Vietnamese clearly knew about the coming MPC swap, probably even before we did. One of the guys had a Monopoly game and there we were sitting there playing when one of the guys sez: You know we can take the money over to the ville and tell them its the new MPC and swap it out for their MPC. Well it did not take a lot of thought to jump on that idea.

    I forgot how much I had, I was on the losing end of that game, plus there were a bunch sitting around shooting the crap. We ended up spreading it around I think I might have got $75 bucks, the guy with the game got the big chunk and we all headed to the ville. As I said the ville was small and was not holding enough to swap it all out. I got $25 or so, few guys got more but a WHOLE LOTTA guys did some serious eating, drinking and getting a massage...LOL

    War if funny, real funny...
     

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    I would have loved to see that. I wonder what great American icon they imagined the Monopoly Man was. Uncle Sam's capitalist counterpart? (I guess he pretty much is.)
     
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