One HPD officer hid in a broom closet for the whole shooting and didn't come out until the shooters was down.
She was also face deep in her phone and missed the shooter walk through the door with a rifle.
One HPD officer hid in a broom closet for the whole shooting and didn't come out until the shooters was down.
It certainly helps to hire off duty TABC cops.
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That was the Helpful Henry bozo I referred to earlier. Kept going in front of then behind the TABC officer who was in the midst of a firefight. Then he drags the injured kids body "to safety"--needlessly--since the shooter was down--then he picks up the AR with his bare hands, even as the cop was putting on gloves in order to pick it up. I am not sure he knows anything about shooting, head wounds, or evidence.How about that unarmed man following the cop around...
Seen plenty of that in recent videos. Watch the Lakewood video and pay close attention to wall above his head. Rounds are slamming the wall 2 - 3 feet over the top of his head. Completely missing by the dozens.I don't think cops value accuracy. They mostly carry pistols and, given their capacity and relative inaccuracy and lethality relative to long guns, their strategy is to mag dump until the perp is down. So getting them down on paper sounds about right.
Some people got it some people dont. For many shooting quick and accurately just comes natural. I'm not so lucky.I dated a cop that never cleaned her weapon. Never wanted to go to the range with me, only shot during required quals. She said she only had to put it on paper to pass. What she meant by that I'm not sure, but impressed me as completely unmotivated to do her job to the best of her ability, just did the minimum to get by.
Don't get near me I suck at shootingSome people got it some people dont. For many shooting quick and accurately just comes natural. I'm not so lucky.
I don't suck but I ain't good either.Don't get near me I suck at shooting
First, none of the good guys can shoot worth a damn. Yeah, yeah, I realize that adrenalin is flowing and they are surrounded by chaos, but they shot up everything but the crazy woman.
The cops were also somewhat "gun" ignorant...having listened to too many anti-gun tropes. Many who were interviewed said the reason they were inclined to wait for SWAT was the shooter had a "high powered" AR15 which would go through everything they had to protect them...doors, walls, vests...and would massacre them.You aren't wrong, but I want to expand on a couple of your points as thoughts for consideration.
This actually seemed like one of the least chaotic active shooting deals that got stopped before being a mass shooting. In reality, the cops were in something of a catbird seat for this one. Think about it for a second.
1. The cops are trained professionals
2. The cops have their duty gear (guns, vests, radios, etc.). The cops outgunned the shooter with pistols and 2 rifles (but only one rifle was used).
3. Homefield advantage. It isn't like the cops rolled up on a giant facility they had never been in before and had to do a search and destroy mission while learning the layout of the building. Nope, the shooter came to where the cops were working.
4. The cops had superiority of numbers, not just weapons. There was only one shooter.
5. Not a target rich environment compared to many other such shootings. The shooter didn't show up and enter the chapel filled with many hundreds of people and start shooting while Olsteen passed out Bibles. Nope, the shooter seemed to start shooting in the lobby where there were 10s of people going about their business, distributed in 1s, 2s, or small groups over a very large hall and lobby area. Imagine if the shooter had showed up and started shooting as a service was letting out.
6. Less bystanders means less chance for the cops to shoot an unintended target (see NY Empire State building).
7. There were lots of alcoves and doorways by when the intended victims (or the cops) could seek shelter and/or make egress to safer areas.
8. The shooter was not highly mobile. It wasn't like she shot people in one place and raced to another location and shot people there, confusing the hell out of responding officers as to where the shooter is (as happens in some school, mall, and workplace shootings).
As far as active shooters go, this was the nearly the best case scenario for the cops in terms of advanges. That isn't to say that the situation wasn't highly dangerous, terrifying, or anything like that, and as a result a significant number of the LEOs and security (assuming the security was armed) failed to engage.
The cops were also somewhat "gun" ignorant...having listened to too many anti-gun tropes. Many who were interviewed said the reason they were inclined to wait for SWAT was the shooter had a "high powered" AR15 which would go through everything they had to protect them...doors, walls, vests...and would massacre them.
The research has already been done--the guy will fold or die fast if confronted by determined LEOs. As he did when they finally did.
Oops...I am on the Uvalde and Osteen threads...I replied to your post thinking we were both on Uvalde!He was a she, BTW