ITAR Compliant

[HKaltwasser]

So after moving on from the thought of the Ghost Gunner CNC, I've been looking at larger units that have a broader application. Stepcraft and some others.

I was hoping to makes some hard to find pistol grips and custom buttstocks for myself and maybe sell a few in the future to help pay for the CNC. I came across some possible legal issues at the state level(at least this how it describes it even though ITAR is at natonal level)? ATF doesn't recognize parts as a firearm as you all know but ITAR states that buttstocks are a controlled item requiring ITAR compliance? Can anyone confirm this or provide any insight to this? It's not worth it I have to apply for an FFL with 3,000$ in fees per 1-3 years just for pretty much a hobby.

https://www.williamsmullen.com/news/itar-guide-firearms-industry

 

[chad.mooty]

ITAR is about international trade. I don't know gun laws, but I'm in the Aerospace industry, and we deal with the US government all the time, and while I'm not a part of it, my company also sells internationally. ITAR implies that it is something the US doesn't want to desseminate to non-ally countries. My company goes overboard, because there can be fines, and even criminal prosecution, but big picture wise, if you only sell to US citizens, who agree as part of the sale that their intent is use, not resale to foreign entities, and you keep records you should be fine. A FFL is not required.


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[chad.mooty]

That said, do your own homework instead of taking my word for it. Look up export compliance.


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[Renegade]

if you only sell to US citizens, who agree as part of the sale that their intent is use, not resale to foreign entities, and you keep records you should be fine.

This is incorrect.

I am not going to go into it all, but the simple answer is, If you make items on the US Munitions List, you must register with DDTC @$2250/yr.

Who Must Register

OP did not specify what grips/stocks he was making, so I cannot say if he has to register or not.

Also keep in mind, there is a rule change about to happen that will remove a lot of consumer stuff from the US Munitions List.

https://www.reginfo.gov/public/do/eAgendaViewRule?pubId=201710&RIN=1400-AE30

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/new-trump-rules-make-it-easier-u-s-gun-makers-n968601

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/n...to-sell-overseas/ar-BBThwkW?OCID=ansmsnnews11

 

[Bithabus]

What kind of stocks are you going to make? If they do not add to the functionality of the weapon (ie if they just make it look pretty) then you don't have to register.

 

[Bithabus]

Also keep in mind, there is a rule change about to happen that will remove a lot of consumer stuff from the US Munitions List.

https://www.reginfo.gov/public/do/eAgendaViewRule?pubId=201710&RIN=1400-AE30

Excellent!

 

[HKaltwasser]

What kind of stocks are you going to make? If they do not add to the functionality of the weapon (ie if they just make it look pretty) then you don't have to register.

Yeah, this is where it got a little cloudy for me. It will not change the functionality of the firearm.

My focus would be HK P7 grips in exotic woods. HK 9x series exotic buttstocks and Nambian style forearms. Just a wide vented forearm in wood. May expand t FAL buttstocks.

 

[HKaltwasser]

Excellent!

I saw this as well, but I'm still unclear on what items this may include/exclude. Hopefully we'll hear soon. All this info will definitely encourage/discourage how much I want to spend on a unit.

 

[Big Green]

I’ve heard and read all kinds of things on doing it or not. I know a FFL who is also a manufacturer. When he had his interview with the BATFE, he asked and they told him it was not necessary to pay ITAR. Actually another FFL told me he was told same thing. Then you read on the web others have been told to. As often seems the case with that agency there doesn’t seem to be a lot of consistency.

I’m going to go back up and read the new info Renegade linked.

 

[Bithabus]

Yeah, this is where it got a little cloudy for me. It will not change the functionality of the firearm.

My focus would be HK P7 grips in exotic woods. HK 9x series exotic buttstocks and Nambian style forearms. Just a wide vented forearm in wood. May expand t FAL buttstocks.

IMO you would not need to register now. Certainly not after the new rules take effect.

 

[scarab]

Today's news concerning ITAR / DDTC [ https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2...-2018-legislator-of-the-year/#comment-4234175 ] You have Steve Scalise trying to put an end to it. This is taking so long to push through.....

 

[LOCKHART]

I believe our participation in ITAR is over, from what I've been reading lately. I was going to apply for an FFL to sell cast bullets for heavy caliber revolvers about a year ago, and was stunned at the huge amount of money to comply with ITAR. Since then I've seen that the U.S. is no longer a party to it. Guess it was something the jug-eared, horse-faced former occupant of the White House got us into to stifle law abiding citizens in this country. If this turns out to be true, I may revisit my plans to apply for an FFL.

 

[Renegade]

I believe our participation in ITAR is over, from what I've been reading lately. I was going to apply for an FFL to sell cast bullets for heavy caliber revolvers about a year ago, and was stunned at the huge amount of money to comply with ITAR. Since then I've seen that the U.S. is no longer a party to it. Guess it was something the jug-eared, horse-faced former occupant of the White House got us into to stifle law abiding citizens in this country. If this turns out to be true, I may revisit my plans to apply for an FFL.

You must be confusing ITAR with something else. ITAR is US Law. It has not been repealed.

 

[LOCKHART]

Who got it passed? I can't believe the NRA and other Second Amendment organizations would have stood by and allow a turd of a law like this even come up for consideration! This still sounds like something the previous administration pushed through.

 

[LOCKHART]

And, after looking into it again, I was right! This was Ojugears doing. Man, I'm so glad that commie bastid is no longer President!

 

[Renegade]

Who got it passed? I can't believe the NRA and other Second Amendment organizations would have stood by and allow a turd of a law like this even come up for consideration! This still sounds like something the previous administration pushed through.

Ford, which was before NRA was really active politically. 99% of ITAR is to keep the commies from getting our cool stuff.

 

[avvidclif]

Yeah but what I saw is if you want to manufacture something they could want you have to be compliant and pay the $2250/yr. Even if all you want to do is get an FFL Mfgs Lic to reload ammo.

 

[LOCKHART]

Exactly! I doubt Gerald Ford put that in, and besides when Ford was president I had an FFL and damn sure wasn't required to pay $2250.00 per year. I think Ojugear had that put in. There must be some Obama fans on here. I couldn't stand the jug-eared liar myself!

 

[Renegade]

Exactly! I doubt Gerald Ford put that in, and besides when Ford was president I had an FFL and damn sure wasn't required to pay $2250.00 per year. I think Ojugear had that put in. There must be some Obama fans on here. I couldn't stand the jug-eared liar myself!

You can thank Jorge Bush for that

https://2001-2009.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2008/oct/110552.htm

 

[Younggun]

Exactly! I doubt Gerald Ford put that in, and besides when Ford was president I had an FFL and damn sure wasn't required to pay $2250.00 per year. I think Ojugear had that put in. There must be some Obama fans on here. I couldn't stand the jug-eared liar myself!

What does this discussion have to do with anyone being Obama fans?


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