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  • pronstar

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    Neat. I wonder how spirited driving effects that 310 mi range, tho. I bet it wouldn't last on one of my typical hill country cruises.

    How you drive massively affects an EV’s range, and temperatures play a role as well.

    My former Fiat 500e has gone as far as 100 miles with 20 % charge remaining. And as “not far” as 40-ish miles and very little charge remaining.

    Not unlike a gas car, really.
    It’s just no one gets range anxiety with a gasser.


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    HKShooter65

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    Just noticed that the Tesla Model X battery and drive units are factory warranty'ed for an infinite number of miles.

    I suppose it is a given that only a few people will be unable to drive the full infinite number of miles.
    The practical warranty limit is therefore 8 years.

    (70 MPH) x (19 hours a day driving, 4.5 hours charging, 30 minutes peeing) x (365.25 days/year) x (8 yrs).

    So:
    3,883,575 miles and the Tesla X will 5 have miles left on its warranty just before the 8th year is up!

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    TheDan

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    Not unlike a gas car, really.
    It’s just no one gets range anxiety with a gasser.
    That's because every car can make this with a full tank of gas.
    north-end-AK11-distance-sign_DSC4314.jpg


    That and it only takes 2 min to fill up.
     

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    HKShooter65

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    So that is way more than the 11,000 miles I drive a year. It would not be economical for me...

    Why not economical?

    Electric "fuel" is vastly cheaper that traditional fossil fuel.

    My 15 MPG turbocharged V8 SUV uses about $60 of premium unleaded per 300 miles.
    A Tesla would use $7 to $9 per 300 miles given electricity costs here in the Republic of TX.

    My SUV uses about $2,200 to go your 11,000 miles.
    The Tesla would use about $290 to go that same distance.

    I would save about $11,600 in six years with the EV.

    Hence the cost comparisons between an entry level Tesla and a Honda Accord that show the Tesla to be cheaper in the long run and way more of a zippy sports car with more style and panache.
     
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    HKShooter65

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    That's because every car can make this with a full tank of gas.


    That and it only takes 2 min to fill up.

    Point very well taken.
    On my recent stay in the mountains of Colorado Teslas where seen frequently.
    I suspect that in Alaska they are rare.
    Battery capacity is quite diminished in cold climes.

    https://www.tesla.com/findus?v=2&search=North America&bounds=36.83851438784374,-86.14857998006084,26.581882562478235,-108.64857998006084&filters=supercharger&zoom=7

    I just looked.
    Zero Tesla Superchargers in Alaska. What a shock.
    Several in Austin, Houston and Dallas. Even Laredo has one.
    Zero in San Antonio and Lubbock. WHAT THE ****?

    FWIW they are freaking all over eastern China!
     
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    Vaquero

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    Point very well taken.
    On my recent stay in the mountains of Colorado Teslas where seen frequently.
    I suspect that in Alaska they are rare.
    Battery capacity is quite diminished in cold climes.

    https://www.tesla.com/findus?v=2&search=North America&bounds=36.83851438784374,-86.14857998006084,26.581882562478235,-108.64857998006084&filters=supercharger&zoom=7

    I just looked.
    Zero Tesla Superchargers in Alaska. What a shock.
    Several in Austin, Houston and Dallas. Even Laredo has one.
    Zero in San Antonio and Lubbock. WHAT THE ****?

    FWIW they are freaking all over eastern China!

    One charging station in Sweetwater. That'll get you from Ft. Worth to Odessa. If you keep your foot out of it. Good luck.
     

    innominate

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    Why not economical?

    Electric "fuel" is vastly cheaper that traditional fossil fuel.

    My 15 MPG turbocharged V8 SUV uses about $60 of premium unleaded per 300 miles.
    A Tesla would use $7 to $9 per 300 miles given electricity costs here in the Republic of TX.

    My SUV uses about $2,200 to go your 11,000 miles.
    The Tesla would use about $290 to go that same distance.

    I would save about $11,600 in six years with the EV.

    Hence the cost comparisons between an entry level Tesla and a Honda Accord that show the Tesla to be cheaper in the long run and way more of a zippy sports car with more style and panache.

    You can get an accord that gets 30city 38 hwy for 25k.
    https://www.firsttexashonda.com/inventory/new-2019-honda-accord-lx-fwd-4d-sedan-1hgcv1f12ka117498

    The entry tesla is 48k.
    https://www.tesla.com/inventory/new/m3?distance=200&arrangeby=plh&zip=78751&range=0

    23k buys a lot of gas. The electric fuel is "cheaper" but what about the "cost" to mine/create the battery?
     

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    The electric fuel is "cheaper" but what about the "cost" to mine/create the battery?

    Honestly, I don’t really care about battery production, any more than I care about mining iron ore or aluminum ore.
    And I suspect many of us feel similarly.

    If it’s a legal product that fits my needs and budget, then it’s going on my consideration list.


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    innominate

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    Honestly, I don’t really care about battery production, any more than I care about mining iron ore or aluminum ore.
    And I suspect many of us feel similarly.

    If it’s a legal product that fits my needs and budget, then it’s going on my consideration list.


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    I don't either. That part of my reply woulda made more sense if it was quoting a different post but I was too lazy to find it.
     

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    One third of the electricity that Los Angeles gets is from a coal fired plant in Arizona. So much for a “green” source of power.
    The Ford Fusion I rented got 50 city/ 48 highway. Do the math.

    California produces more wind/solar than any other state. Unfortunately they cannot use it all because California charges twice as much for electricity as anyone else. The solution? Pay Arizona to take all of the excess energy.

    I can’t even make this up...
     

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    One third of the electricity that Los Angeles gets is from a coal fired plant in Arizona. So much for a “green” source of power.
    The Ford Fusion I rented got 50 city/ 48 highway. Do the math.

    California produces more wind/solar than any other state. Unfortunately they cannot use it all because California charges twice as much for electricity as anyone else. The solution? Pay Arizona to take all of the excess energy.

    I can’t even make this up...


    It’s crazy there.
    Some detail to the points you made here:
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/judecl...fornias-growing-imported-electricity-problem/


    I was on a tiered rate schedule when I lived in SoCal. Here’s what I paid per kWh...and electric utilities have a legal monopoly so I couldn’t get a better rate.

    Peak: $0.45 (10a-8p)
    Off-peak: $0.30 (6a - 10a, 8p-10p)
    Super off-peak: $0.15 (10p - 6a)

    It was ridiculous.

    Plus we had planned “rolling blackouts” during the day when it was especially hot.


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    HKShooter65

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    I had an epiphany today by hanging out at Griffith Ford in San Marcos today!!!

    I was considering buying a full-bore high end Tesla Model X.
    The one sitting at the dealer on Research Boulevard in North Austin was calling my name and my AMEX!!

    I realized that the difference between the Tesla X and an very nice Performance-Model Tesla 3 is about the price of a Ford King Ranch F-350!!!

    Ye gads.
    Epiphany hit me like Thor's hammer.

    I'll buy:
    1. A Performance Model Tesla 3
    and, and, and...
    2. A King Ranch F-350


    Final Answer?

    Yes.
     

    Pops1955

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    I had an epiphany today by hanging out at Griffith Ford in San Marcos today!!!

    I was considering buying a full-bore high end Tesla Model X.
    The one sitting at the dealer on Research Boulevard in North Austin was calling my name and my AMEX!!

    I realized that the difference between the Tesla X and an very nice Performance-Model Tesla 3 is about the price of a Ford King Ranch F-350!!!

    Ye gads.
    Epiphany hit me like Thor's hammer.

    I'll buy:
    1. A Performance Model Tesla 3
    and, and, and...
    2. A King Ranch F-350


    Final Answer?

    Yes.

    That way when the T runs outa juice you can load it up in the back of your 350, that you put a power converter on, and charge it while you haul it home. GREAT IDEA money bags!!!
     
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