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  • TheDan

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    I always thought that instead of banning people, it would be great if forums had a "Thunderdome" area that unruly members could be banished to. Make it private and unsearchable so that it doesn't effect the rest of the forum. That way people can spiral until they get it out of their system. After a certain amount of time of them not posting in the Thunderdome they could be let back into "polite society". Could even have a jury system to allow or deny someone being let out of the Thunderdome.
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    benenglish

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    I like the idea but it won't work. This:
    Make it private and unsearchable
    ...is the problem.

    The people in the thunderdome, at minimum, could record everything there. The postings would be racist, terrorist, anarchist, pornographic. As soon as there was enough crap posted, someone would record it all and leak it, perhaps to the mainstream press, perhaps to the gun press, perhaps just to a select few people with business interests in the forum. No matter, the forum wouldn't survive.

    As much as I hate banning people, it's the right thing to do when it's the right thing to do.
     

    TheDan

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    The people in the thunderdome, at minimum, could record everything there. The postings would be racist, terrorist, anarchist, pornographic. As soon as there was enough crap posted, someone would record it all and leak it, perhaps to the mainstream press, perhaps to the gun press, perhaps just to a select few people with business interests in the forum. No matter, the forum wouldn't survive.
    That's more of a problem of the last 20 years. People are sick of the outrage culture and even advertisers are waking up to that. People are also starting to realize that the general public is not their core audience, and trying to cater to all only alienates your core audience. You don't want to pander to people who are going to call you names.

    If it's unsearchable, no one would be able to verify if it's real or faked. More importantly rational people would see that it's from a quarantined section of the forum, and realize that is not typical to the group overall. You don't want irrational people as customers anyways.

    BTW if I see someone being called a pornographic, racist, anarchist by the mainstream press I'm going to think, "hmm, I need to check this guy out." :laughing:
     

    benenglish

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    You have a valid point. So do I. But there are another 100 valid points people could make on this topic.

    Example? In the last round of bans, there were two people who were advocating killing me. Literally. I am not joking.

    By the time I saw the posts, another mod was working them. By the time I had gone to the admin area and recused myself from working the situation, the other mod had already deleted the posts and was in the process of banning the users. It was not a situation I could rationally handle.

    If someone is in a place that I help maintain and advocates that I should be murdered and that the public should consider my murderer to be a hero for killing me, should I support continuing to give them a place to vent their hatred? I don't think so. I think the proper response is simply "GTFO!".

    Like I said, I don't like banning people but when it's the right thing to do, it's the right thing to do.

    Lots of valid viewpoints can come into play here and every case is different. With respect, I think "Toss 'em in a thunderdome!" isn't workable. It's just sidestepping an obligation that we all have to keep our houses in some semblance of order.
     

    Brains

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    Damn, who the heck would want to kill Ben? That one definitely has me scratching my head.

    One thing about being a mod or admin on a forum - people will show you the dirtiest angle of their butt they can muster. I've had my fair share over the years, it's so much nicer just being a member now ;)
     

    Brains

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    It's a tough job, no doubt.

    The most annoying for me were those who would come at you with a 'by the letter' interpretation of the rules, knowing full well they're stepping all over the intent. They were only interested in "winning", whatever that was, and had no respect for the community or the people. Those people typically got the vacation pretty quickly.
     

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    The most annoying for me were those who would come at you with a 'by the letter' interpretation of the rules,
    TGT is not unique in this but our rules clearly state that anybody can be banned at any time for any reason or none at all. I think that's why moderation is so light here; the mods can't put themselves on autopilot and just blindly enforce rules. We have a responsibility to think things through.

    Some random Spiderman quote might be appropriate here... :)
     

    TheDan

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    In the last round of bans, there were two people who were advocating killing me. Literally. I am not joking.
    That's fucking retarded. I think this highlights one of the themes of this thread, tho... It's beneficial for the community to see why someone is banned. They need to be named and shamed, and probably a police report filed on them as well.

    With respect, I think "Toss 'em in a thunderdome!" isn't workable.
    The Thunderdome doesn't have to be the only thing in the community policing toolbox. Permanent banning is still a valuable, tool. It could just be used less often if there were additional more entertaining options.

    It's a tough job, no doubt.
    One of the things I mentioned earlier was a jury system. It's something that could make moderator's jobs much easier.

    Please note that I'm just spit-balling ideas. I'm not expecting anything to actually be implemented here, or even if it's technically feasible with xenforo.
     

    Brains

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    One of the things I mentioned earlier was a jury system. It's something that could make moderator's jobs much easier.
    I totally understand where you're coming from, and I can't speak to TGT but on every single forum I've moderated/admin'ed over the decades there IS at the very least a consensus. Often it's after the fact - staff need the ability to act quickly and on merit. But in nearly every case the rest of the staff are made aware, and (very) occasionally a secondary decision may even be made to alter or reverse the initial decision. Most of time? It's obvious, and everyone agrees and moves on. Bringing the general population into the mix would likely add trouble though. On one forum we did have a large number (~80) mods though, and they were often the go-to when community questions surrounding a ban arose.

    Please note that I'm just spit-balling ideas. I'm not expecting anything to actually be implemented here, or even if it's technically feasible with xenforo.
    Nearly anything you're willing to develop is possible to develop, Xenforo is a pretty flexible platform. I've worked with the developers in a previous life, prior to Xenforo as it were, which is a rich story in itself. Lots of drama, lawsuits, threats of lawsuits, laughter, money, and time wasted. Long story short, my (at the time) employer bought vBulletin (the software). They then proceeded to put one of the in-house guys in charge (mistake #1 and #2, IMHO). The vBulletin guys wanted a rewrite, the company wanted to spit-shine and polish (mistake #3, IMHO). All this played out quite visibly in the public. It got ugly. Out of the ashes Xenforo was born, and is more or less the vision of what they wanted vBulletin to become. This time period is when I walked away from everything. Online communities, job, many connections, etc. and started focusing on more important things in my life (got married, had a couple kids, built a house, etc.).
     
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