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    Respectfully, I'D probably d/c the oral antibiotics and apply a topical steroid with the triple antibiotic ointment, but hey, that's just what I'D do...
    I based that example specifically around Vibrio v. because it's a very common issue in coastal areas.
    I goofed by writing watery instead of "dark, bloody" blisters.

    You're partially right, in that most oral antibiotics are going to be largely useless in treating infections in wounds.

    Anyone who gets an infection with a real nasty bug is fooling themselves if they thing they're gonna get away with taking Augmentin.
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    Kosh75287

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    Not knowing anymore about Vibrio v. than I do, I'D be inclined to "shotgun" it with Doxy or Minocycline, assuming those are available. Would topical mupirocin be enough, or is systemic pharmacotherapy usually required?
     

    pharmaco

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    Not knowing anymore about Vibrio v. than I do, I'D be inclined to "shotgun" it with Doxy or Minocycline, assuming those are available. Would topical mupirocin be enough, or is systemic pharmacotherapy usually required?
    Doxy is probably the only reasonable last ditch choice easily available to the prepper.
    MRSA is also soooo much more widespread than people think.

    I'm by no means an ID specialist, but there's a lot more to it.

    End of the world, a lobster pinched off my toe and all I have is penicillin?

    Hey, (in a theoretical lobster doom situation) why not end my days chugging as many pills as possible. LOL
     
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    Kosh75287

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    There's also the inespiration for the proprietary name "Premarin", an estrogen replacement drug, originally formulated from PREgnant MAre uRINe...
     

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    The end of the world will be that. The end of civilization will mean people will die from treatable diseases. Your stockpile of antibiotics won't change that. The amount of resistance to common antibiotics is staggering in community aquired infections.

    Not trying to ruin on the prepper parade. Either life will return to normal and you should plan on survival until normalcy or plan to live in the stone age. You can't bring modern medicine into the Stone Age with fish antibiotics.

    Antibiotics are commonly mis-prescribed by people who should know better. A semi-educated public won't be better, and can lead to harm in the community.
     

    Kosh75287

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    The end of civilization will mean people will die from treatable diseases. Your stockpile of antibiotics won't change that.]
    Not forever, certainly, but possibly in the initial stages of civilization's collapse. Over time, perhaps the vagaries of living in the "stone age", as you term it, will engender some general resilience to many conditions that were previously debilitating to the point of requiring treatment.

    The amount of resistance to common antibiotics is staggering in community acquired infections.
    What sort of "community" do you envision, when society and civilization collapse? I don't know about anyone else, but if things go sour, I'm bugging out to a place where my nearest neighbor is over 2 miles away. For reasons far more pressing than concerns over infectious diseases, I suspect most of the world will put as much distance between themselves and others as they can. I suspect that the antibiotic-resistant community acquired infections that concern you will quickly revert to "normal" virulence fairly quickly.
    I agree that persons without SOME idea of what they're doing shouldn't be using antibiotics on a trial-and-error basis. For those who DO have some insight into how to use antibiotics, they should strive to use them as rarely and prudently as they possibly can. I'm not sure that raiding a pet store for their antibiotics is a real necessity nor even benefit to the prepper. On the other hand, if I have antibiotics when I must bug out, they're going WITH me.
     

    SloppyShooter

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    1.) I'm a Doctor of Pharmacy.
    Pharm.D.

    2.) Nope, that's not even remotely close to what I said.
    I'm not sure how you even came away with that message.
    On top of that I don't have a "company line." I have exactly one person above me at work, and no one else.

    Everyone with an NC Star scope on their bargain bin DPMS AR 15 thinks they're a DEVGRU OPERATOR just because they can buy a rifle and accessories.
    This trend of "preppers" buying antibiotics is no different.
    Having the supplies is nearly worthless without the training and knowledge.

    In fact, the majority of family practice M.D.s would be just as useless in a "survival" situation.

    OK. Moving on.

    I'm assuming you don't know what a Sanford Guide is.
    I wasn't being sarcastic.
    Next time you're in Barnes and Noble pick one up and look in it.
    Having a map and not being 100% sure how to read it is better than not having a map at all.

    Let's say after a SHTFBBQEOTWAKIWTFLOL situation, a Houstonite is out in the water.
    Let's say he steps on a lobster or crab, or a stingray just misses him and leaves a minor cut on his foot/leg.
    Doesn't even need stitches. He irrigates it well, and slathers on Neosporin.

    Let's say he develops diarrhea and vomiting the next day .
    "Hey, I read on my Prepper forum that Azithromycin treats diarrhea! I'll take a Z pak"

    Everyone knows Azithromycin treats diarrhea. That's common sense.

    3 days later his legs start hurting really bad, and he develops some large watery blisters.

    What now? Which antibiotic do you consider to be common sense at this point?

    By this point, a goofball taking fish antibiotics will have wasted precious days taking useless antibiotics.

    How does this guy save his own life?

    All antibiotics are not equal.

    There are great resources online for learning about ABX treatment.
    Well, the sad truth is antibiotics are overprescribed and UNDER utilized. ( In other words, doctors are handing them out like candy. But the REAL problem is this: many folks do not take the full course.)
    As the saying goes: " Whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger." ...is especially true with taking partial antibiotics regimens. The "biotics", ie..bacterial infections return, now stronger, and harder to kill.

    And YES! Antibiotics are tailored to the ailment, so, you might as well keep Cyanide on hand.

    (I'm not a doctor, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.)
     

    Coastal76

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    Doing research into storing/making penicillin, I learned of the alternative. Having friends in the veterinarian business, I knew that they used the same drugs prescribed to humans. Like Tramadol. Given to my dog after he was fixed.

    Stocking up the first aid inventory. One of the most important things are antibiotics. Wet penicillin has to be refrigerated and all the things it'd take to keep the fridge running in a specifically small range of temps. I need dry antibiotics and I'm sure my doctor won't prescribe 60 tablets of 500mg just so I can store them for the Clinton/Trump apocalypse.

    Enter....Veterinarian antibiotics. Readily available and usually made under the same roof as human medications. USDA inspected and regulated ingredients.


    Below is a list of 'Fish Antibiotics'. Dry, capsules that don't need to be refrigerated.


    Penicillin
    Penicillin is an antibiotic in the penicillin group of drugs. It fights bacteria in your body.
    Penicillin is used to treat many different types of infections caused by bacteria, such as ear infections, urinary tract infections, septicemia, meningitis, intra-abdominal infection, gonorrhea, syphilis, pneumonia, respiratory infections, ear, nose and throat infections, skin and soft tissue infections.
    More information can be found here, including side effects, allergic reactions, etc.
    Veterinarian Equivalent: 250mg Fish Pen and 500mg Fish Pen Forte
    Amoxicillin
    A penicillin antibiotic. It fights bacteria in your body.
    Amoxicillin is used to treat many different types of infections caused by bacteria, such as ear infections, bladder infections, pneumonia, gonorrhea, and E. coli or salmonella infection.
    More information can be found here, including side effects, allergic reactions, etc.
    Veterinarian Equivalent: 250mg Fish Mox (for children) and 500mg Fish Mox Forte (for adults).
    Ciprofloxacin, or Cipro
    Ciprofloxacin is an antibiotic in a group of drugs called fluoroquinolones. It is used as a potent, broad-spectrum antibiotic to fight bacteria in the body.
    It may also be used to prevent or slow anthrax after exposure.
    More information can be found here, including side effects, allergic reactions, etc.
    Veterinarian Equivalent: 500mg Fish Flox Forte
    Cephalexin, or Keflex
    Cephalexin is in a group of drugs called cephalosporin antibiotics. Keflex fights bacteria in the body.
    Keflex is used to treat infections caused by bacteria, including upper respiratory infections, ear infections, skin infections, urinary tract infections, tooth and mouth infections.
    More information can be found here, including side effects, allergic reactions, etc.
    Veterinarian Equivalent: 250mg Fish Flex and 500mg Fish Flex Forte
    Doxycycline
    Doxycycline is a tetracycline antibiotic. It fights bacteria in the body. It may be substituted in place of penicillin to treat common infections in those people who are allergic to that particular drug.
    Doxycycline is used to treat many different bacterial infections, such as urinary tract infections, acne, gonorrhea, and chlamydia, Lyme disease or tick bite infections, anthrax infections, cholera, periodontitis (gum disease), and others.
    Exercise caution with expired Doxycycline / tetracycline and -cycline medications. There has been some documentation of liver damage and some have even labeled it toxic if used past the expiration date. However, Doxycycline provides a great alternative to penicillin medications for those who are allergic.
    More information can be found here, including side effects, allergic reactions, etc.
    Veterinarian Equivalent: 100mg Bird Biotic
    Have you personally tried these or know anyone who has?

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    ldcarson

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    I rarely use anti-biotics anymore. used to suffer from serious sinus infections, had the surgery, was told I was becoming anti-biotic deficient, what ever that means, had a surgeon in Buenos Aires, Argentina turn me on to Colloidal silver, use it all the time and it cures just about every thing. Never looked back. the beauty of it is you can make your own.
     

    pharmaco

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    I rarely use anti-biotics anymore. used to suffer from serious sinus infections, had the surgery, was told I was becoming anti-biotic deficient, what ever that means, had a surgeon in Buenos Aires, Argentina turn me on to Colloidal silver, use it all the time and it cures just about every thing. Never looked back. the beauty of it is you can make your own.
    Yeah, except it's snake oil and a joke for anything serious.
     
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