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  • hubel585

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    Bob Snapp, 90, the great Gun Craftsman, of

    Clare, Michigan, passed away Jan 28th....

    He was an esteemed member of the

    American Custom Gunmakers Guild,

    Being its president in 1992..He liked

    working with Martini Cadet singleshot rifles

    .Worked with guys testing armor long time ago.

    Maybe the 1st to do 20mm necked down to 50cal

    We lost a great friend,,,Ed
     

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    .....


    It is possible rig up holders for many types setups.,

    About shellholder supply for big cases,

    RCBS and others make slip in holders for shotgun cases

    that can work or reworked for big rimmed rifle cases...

    Here are various sizes.......

    16ga-- .810" rim,........ 20ga-- .760" rim,....

    24ga-- .725" rim,....... 28ga .680" rim....

    Ch4d and Buffalo Arms also have these larger shellholders...


    We fireform the 416 HSM with 65 gr of medium speed

    surplus powder, with rest of case filled with farina

    and grits mix, with a play dough plug in the neck.

    It is loud, so we shoot it into big container through a barrel size

    size hole, so the sound is muffled, so it doesn't deafen us..


    It is great getting more companies making 416 caliber bullets,

    long target and bore rider bullets. Ed..



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    Wonder if a PTRD with 5 ft long barrel is stable enough

    for ELR , rebarrel to 416 and use our 416 HSM, 500 gr bullet ....

    .Here is up north guy using 585 HE in a PTRD with inserts,

    Light load.....Inserts are in the shape of the 14.5mm case....





    HERE ia video, 585 Hubel Express and water jugs - slow motion

    750 gr with 155gr RE17, just a moderate load.....Ed


     

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    20mm Vulcan is a big case that works ok, without having

    the sides made too thick...They have thinner sides

    than smaller cases guys are getting that have the sides

    made too thick and won't extract easy or work with high pressures.


    Here Barnard P Cheytac bolt that would do for our 416 HSM..Ed......

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    Got guys doing various 416 HEs..

    One just built a 416 HE, just been testing it a few days..

    And using 168gr of HBMG 475 gr CEB, tested it, in good

    conditions, 2 shots at 1800 yards and was within

    a 1/4 of minute accuracy...A few shots at shorter ranges

    had same accuracy. Ed..
     

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    More about our 416 HSM from BMG brass, and
    our 416 HE & 460 HE from our 585 HE cases
    Got reamers for 375 HE, 416 HE and 416 HSM,....

    460 HE & 460 HSM are all spec'd, got HE reamer
    soon have HSM reamer...Our HSMs have a Wea type
    radius on the shoulder..

    The fellow that set up our 416 HE in an ELR rifle
    and got 1/4 min accuracy,
    They got some game out west over 1400 yds..
    .Here is the gun they set up.
    Using a K&P 34" barrel on a BAT action.....Ed

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    And have got 460 HSM specs setup, the impetus for that is some
    asking about one and new great line of 458 bullets CEB now has.

    It will hold more powder than the 416 HSM and will get
    a 572 gr as fast as 416 HSM gets a 475gr.....Ed..
     

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    The guys that did the super accurate 416 HE did another
    416 HE that has an 8" longer 42 inch K&P barrel..

    Used a Stiller action and same load with 475 gr bullet, as in
    first gun and and gained about 200 fps with good accuracy.
    3065 fps. Tested 2 groups of 3 and less than 1/2 min moa.

    And loads they used are not the highest speed loads
    the cartridge is capable of....Here is print with specs for
    the 416 HE reamer chamber ....Ed....

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    More about he guys that did the accurate 416 HE, they did a
    416 HE that has an 8" longer 42 inch K&P barrel..

    Used longer barrel and the same load with 475 gr bullet, as used
    in the first gun and and gained about 200 fps with good accuracy,.
    3065 fps. Tested 2 groups of 3 and less than 1/2 min moa.

    And loads they used are not the highest speed loads
    the cartridge is capable of....Here is picture.......Ed....


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    hubel585

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    Away for a time, sickness..
    Here is print with chamber reamer specs for the
    416 HSM chamber..There are 3 base sizes we have,
    depending on actions used. Got reamers for all 3..
    Got cases for all of them..
    Our cases are public domain, so that is why I post
    info and specs. To help guys do their own setups.
    Manson makes reamers I use,,, Ed.
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    Hubel keeps making them bigger and badder.
    I’m going in the opposite direction. I’m going smaller and softer.
    Currently, I’m reloading 12 gauge 1 ounce loads and 3/4 ounce loads at around 1150fps, standard is 1 1/8 ounces. My current 20 gauge load is 3/4 ounce instead of 7/8 and my 28 gauge load is at 11/16 ounce rather than 3/4 ounce. My .410’s are standard 1/2 ounce.
     

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    Here is reamer print with chamber reamer specs for
    the 460 HSM chamber .Couple guys getting set
    to do 38-40 inch heavy 458 target barrels...Ed....
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    With 40 inch barrel 416 HSM ,475 gr, get 3650, over 13,000 ft lbs muzzle energy.
    Got guys getting set to have 38-40 inch 458 barrels made for 460 HSM.Ed..
     

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    More info on this gun, we did it for testing 416 HSM with a rebated rim,
    to check in intermediate size actions, with the longer, stronger, bolt lugs, Ed..
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    Here is experimental action for 416 HSM in a heavy
    stock....We lengthened port a little, set bolt stop back ,
    opened bolt face fit the 416 HSM rebated rim. Ed.
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    Here is comparison of Montana PH to Pierce action we
    modified to use for rebated rim 416 HSM testing..Ed.
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    hubel585

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    416 & 460 HE AND 416 & 460 HSM .LONG RANGE AND HUNTING
    Can be set up in Pierce X10 ACTION for the 416 & 460 HE
    AND X20 action for the 416 & 460 HSM , Can get those
    if guys need one...Ed
     

    hubel585

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    Here is picture of my 416 HSM test gun,... It is a big falling block we had
    as a 8 bore years ago. Has a 34 inch , 1 5/8 "diameter, 1 to 10 twist barrel. .. Ed.
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