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  • Maverick44

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    No, not zero emissions. Where does the electricity come from to charge them? It ain't all wind power.

    Well, if you have the money upfront (they have become MUCH more affordable in the last 10 years), you can always invest in solar panels. From what I understand, they are usually warrantied for about 20+ years, and can save you quite a bit of money in the long run. If you could power your car with them, that's a huge benefit. I believe a system generally costs around $10k-$15K. I'm starting to look into them because once I get my career really going and have some money saved up, I plan on buying some land and building a cabin on it. I plan on making it mostly off grid without giving up too many modern amenities.
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    benenglish

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    I'm starting to look into them...
    Interesting tidbit - If you live in a subdivision where the HOA does not allow the installation of solar panels, the law changed a while back. Apparently quite a while ago, much longer than I realized, state law was changed to render those deed restrictions void. Subject to some minor and reasonable restrictions on things like color and roof placement, HOAs can no longer forbid their installation.

    That must be a bitter pill for certain power-drunk, tight-ass HOAs to swallow. :)
     

    Maverick44

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    Interesting tidbit - If you live in a subdivision where the HOA does not allow the installation of solar panels, the law changed a while back. Apparently quite a while ago, much longer than I realized, state law was changed to render those deed restrictions void. Subject to some minor and reasonable restrictions on things like color and roof placement, HOAs can no longer forbid their installation.

    That must be a bitter pill for certain power-drunk, tight-ass HOAs to swallow. :)

    That's good to hear. I hate HOAs. If it's your property, you should be allowed to do as you will within the confines of the real law, not that made up BS HOAs like to force on people. I don't plan on living anywhere near anything even remotely resembling an HOA.
     

    benenglish

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    I hate HOAs. If it's your property, you should be allowed...
    I greatly appreciate the fact that I've been very lucky; my HOA has been quite reasonable for the last 25+ years. Some HOAs are horror stories and they all have the potential to become one.

    As it relates to this thread, though, I just wanted to point out that since the law changed in September of 2015 your interest in solar panels can be shared by folks no matter where they live in Texas.
     

    GoPappy

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    Interesting tidbit - If you live in a subdivision where the HOA does not allow the installation of solar panels, the law changed a while back. Apparently quite a while ago, much longer than I realized, state law was changed to render those deed restrictions void. Subject to some minor and reasonable restrictions on things like color and roof placement, HOAs can no longer forbid their installation.

    That must be a bitter pill for certain power-drunk, tight-ass HOAs to swallow. :)

    The Texas legislature did the same thing for satellite dishes a number of years ago. There were too many HOA Nazis prohibiting residents from using satellite dishes.

    Every HOA seems to have at least one nazi with nothing to do other than obsess over over residents’ violations (or perceived violations) of HOA rules or restrictions.
     

    txinvestigator

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    The Texas legislature did the same thing for satellite dishes a number of years ago. There were too many HOA Nazis prohibiting residents from using satellite dishes.

    Every HOA seems to have at least one nazi with nothing to do other than obsess over over residents’ violations (or perceived violations) of HOA rules or restrictions.
    To use the term "nazi" here is just really stupid.
     

    Brains

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    Move the motor to the middle, give it a tiny bump in horsepower, and .... 2.8 seconds 0-60 all day long.
     

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    pronstar

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    In my slow, stock '16 Camaro SS, I raced a Model S P90d one morning from a stoplight (on a private abandoned road in Mexico). What happened? He beat me to 60 alright, and he was about a car length ahead. What happened next? I caught and passed him. The torque curve of an electric motor starts at it's max and slopes downward in direct relation to its speed. Tesla did a very good job gearing the car to be very responsive in the most usable range of the motors' performance, but the physics still apply.

    A Model S P90D isn’t much slower than a P100D, a few tenths is all that separates them, as shown in the video where they race head-to-head.






    I don’t think that Tesla knew you were racing.

    A 500-hp 911R doesn’t catch a P100D until past 130 mph, as show in this video.




    A P90D in the quarter, running low-11 seconds at 120+ mph ain’t no joke.

    At least one stock P90D, a factory lightweight with no options, has run a 10.9 quarter. And similar P100D’s have run as quick as 10.6

    A stock Camaro isn’t going to walk on any of these cars if truly driven in anger...quite the opposite, methinks.

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    Brains

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    Oh, he knew ;) It was a fact finding mission for both of us.

    Take a peek at the slips in the first vid. Shows a high 1.5 60' which is pretty darned good, and Tesla can do almost that on the street (probably more like 1.6's, as it did spin a little). That's distinctly their advantage. I can only do high 1.7's, usually 1.8's on street tires with a good launch. The P90d in the vid did the 1/8th mile in 7 flat at 99. Quite good, a touch faster than most I've seen, and if it were a typical gasoline car that would translate to finishing the 1/4 roughly 11 flat in the mid-high 120's. But that's not what happens, the P90d typically breaks the beams in the 11.30's @ 113mph. So what we expected to happen, happened. I caught and passed him on the big end (past the 1/8th mile). (FWIW, a stock '16 SS runs typically right at the bottom of the 12's, trapping around 118 mph).

    So when the Tesla passes the 1/8th, it is adding speed at a much lower rate than a gasoline powered car. That's why you'll see countless videos of a Tesla putting distance on big horsepower cars off the line, and then getting reeled in and often passed. They're very quick no doubt about it. But at high speed, they're out of their element. That's the point I'm making. FWIW this road in Mexico has no markings for distance, and I'm reasonably certain I wasn't able to get my nose in front until after 1320', but I did.
     

    pronstar

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    Oh, he knew ;) It was a fact finding mission for both of us.

    Take a peek at the slips in the first vid. Shows a high 1.5 60' which is pretty darned good, and Tesla can do almost that on the street (probably more like 1.6's, as it did spin a little). That's distinctly their advantage. I can only do high 1.7's, usually 1.8's on street tires with a good launch. The P90d in the vid did the 1/8th mile in 7 flat at 99. Quite good, a touch faster than most I've seen, and if it were a typical gasoline car that would translate to finishing the 1/4 roughly 11 flat in the mid-high 120's. But that's not what happens, the P90d typically breaks the beams in the 11.30's @ 113mph. So what we expected to happen, happened. I caught and passed him on the big end (past the 1/8th mile). (FWIW, a stock '16 SS runs typically right at the bottom of the 12's, trapping around 118 mph).

    So when the Tesla passes the 1/8th, it is adding speed at a much lower rate than a gasoline powered car. That's why you'll see countless videos of a Tesla putting distance on big horsepower cars off the line, and then getting reeled in and often passed. They're very quick no doubt about it. But at high speed, they're out of their element. That's the point I'm making. FWIW this road in Mexico has no markings for distance, and I'm reasonably certain I wasn't able to get my nose in front until after 1320', but I did.

    That’s a far cry from your original statement that you walked on one when you passed 60 mph...?


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    Brains

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    That’s a far cry from your original statement that you walked on one when you passed 60 mph...?
    Go back to school and learn ya some readin' comprehenshun, son. I never said I passed him @ 60mph. I said he beat me to 60, and he did. Easily. But that didn't last long.

    So it wasn't an instrumented test, but what we BOTH expected would happen, is exactly what happened.
     

    pronstar

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    Go back to school and learn ya some readin' comprehenshun, son. I never said I passed him @ 60mph. I said he beat me to 60, and he did. Easily. But that didn't last long.

    So it wasn't an instrumented test, but what we BOTH expected would happen, is exactly what happened.

    I read fine, son

    So you caught and passed him soon after you both hit 60, while a 500hp Porsche couldn’t pass one until 130mph?

    Because that’s what I’m reading from your words...

    In my slow, stock '16 Camaro SS, I raced a Model S P90d one morning from a stoplight (on a private abandoned road in Mexico). What happened? He beat me to 60 alright, and he was about a car length ahead. What happened next? I caught and passed him.


    Edit:
    Apologies for coming across as a dick.
    That wasn’t my intention.
    Just trying to wrap my head around that math...


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    Brains

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    I read fine, son

    So you caught and passed him soon after you both hit 60, while a 500hp Porsche couldn’t pass one until 130mph?

    Because that’s what I’m reading from your words...




    Edit:
    Apologies for coming across as a dick.
    That wasn’t my intention.
    Just trying to wrap my head around that math...


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    The reported specs are so basic it's hard to get the full picture. Look at their torque curve, gearing, weight, etc. and you'll understand more how the car is going to perform. A similar comparison, I drove an Audi R8 V10 back to back with my Camaro. The R8 is indeed faster, but definitely not in a stoplight to stoplight (low speed) sprint. They launch so softly and smoothly, while the Camaro lunges off the line with mountains of torque. Until that tiny V10 spun its tach to the other side the car feels slow. Didn't get the opportunity, but a race between the R8 and the Camaro would look like the Tesla vs. Camaro, but reversed. Once wound up the Audi is smooth as silk and quick. I would suspect the Porsche to be much the same (small displacement, high RPM power is the European formula).
     

    HKShooter65

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    Good grief, I hope not! Comparing to a phone? Really? One thing for a $300 phone. .....


    Actually I "lost" my iPhone yesterday for about 12 hours, founding by pinging it from my Apple Watch when I go home. In the meantime I looked on line thinking I might be on the market and found the iPhone with the biggest memory is $1449.00.

    Ye gads.
     

    Big Green

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    One of the reasons I have absolutely no respect for Musk. He works his people like dogs.
    So he has a work ethic that exceeds those work for him?

    I am a supervisor for a company that employs low skill/no skill employees. A lot of good folks, but in menial tasks I blow them out of the water. If I want them to work as hard as I would in that position, am I working them like dogs?

    His work ethic and attitude are what has enabled him to reach his level. Absolutely it has to be stressful working for him. But as one that expects to reach the highest levels of productivity, to not want, and possibly expect, those working for you to reach the same is challenging.
     

    SQLGeek

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    If I want them to work as hard as I would in that position, am I working them like dogs?

    If you expect them to work nights and weekends and build up a culture where you're punished professionally for wanting to spend an ounce of time with your family all while under compensating them then yes you do.

    Next you'll say something along the lines of "Well they can choose not to work in those conditions for that pay." That is absolutely true. I can also choose not to have any respect for him or spend my money with his companies.

    I get what you're saying. But it is possible to work your ass off, become a billionaire and not treat your people like cattle. There's plenty of examples out there.
     
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