House Dems Secure Trump's Bank Records

jrbfishn · May 24, 2019

If the House has the right to bank records of POTUS to confirm they are following the law, then DOJ has a right to do the same for Congress.

Slippery slope.
I bet they would scream bloody murder over that.

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diesel1959 · May 24, 2019

zincwarrior said:
I agree. However I am also supportive that your tax reports from the last ten years to until you die are public if you run for federal office.

Make that a law and we can talk. Until then, suck it. Just because some (or even lots of somebodies) wish to voluntarily release their last ten tax records when running for federal office doesn't create an imperative to do so. Not even a little bit.

diesel1959 · May 24, 2019

oldag said:
Congress does not have the right to subpoena at whim. Liberal judge backs liberal congress. Neither has any respect for the constitution.

This whole thing should be held in check until all appeals of the District Judge's ruling are exhausted. And last I heard, the Supremes haven't weighed in yet . . .

HKShooter65 · May 24, 2019

Vaquero said:
After my taxes are paid, my money ain't nobody's effin business.

Unless you break the law.
Therein lies the confounding factor.

I'd be shocked if he has not broken some laws along the way.
That is why this investigating will be infinite.

zincwarrior · May 24, 2019

diesel1959 said:
Make that a law and we can talk. Until then, suck it. Just because some (or even lots of somebodies) wish to voluntarily release their last ten tax records when running for federal office doesn't create an imperative to do so. Not even a little bit.

That's kind of what I said...

Pops1955 · May 24, 2019

HKShooter65 said:
Unless you break the law.
Therein lies the confounding factor.

I'd be shocked if he has not broken some laws along the way.
That is why this investigating will be infinite.

Then it is the law that there must be evidence indicating that he broke the law. There is none. They just spent 2 years finding that out. HE WAS CLEARED of a non-crime and they could not get him to bite on obstruction. No charges. They have broken the law getting his bank records.

The foxes got into the hen house BUT it is all the chickens that are guilty according to them.

Again I say that everything is upside down.

Dad_Roman · May 24, 2019

easy rider said:
If they are opening that door, then they all should be under such scrutiny.

Isnt that the "play"? <wink,wink>

diesel1959 · May 24, 2019

zincwarrior said:
That's kind of what I said...

No, that's not kinda what you said. Sorry.

I, for one, do NOT want a law requiring candidates for federal office to release their last ten year's income tax forms. I couldn't care less if idiots wish to voluntarily release theirs; however, I happen to think one is a dumbass to to do so. And I don't want a law requiring folks to be dumbasses.

Renegade · May 24, 2019

HKShooter65 said:
Unless you break the law.
Therein lies the confounding factor.

I'd be shocked if he has not broken some laws along the way.
That is why this investigating will be infinite.

Congress has no authority to engage in criminal investigations.

diesel1959 · May 24, 2019

Renegade said:
Congress has no authority to engage in criminal investigations.

Exactly. If Congress has reason to suspect that criminal activity has been, is being, or is about to be committed, they have every right to refer the matter to the Department of Justice for their tender touch.

This is part of the idiocy of the present investigation morass in Congress. They declare that they have "oversight authority" and that they need to investigate. Excuse me, but Congress felt it needed to investigate and that was why a Special Counsel was appointed, and given time aplenty, and access to records and witnesses aplenty, then rendered his report to the Attorney General, as required by law. Then the Attorney General makes conclusions and referrals (or not) as s/he sees fit and proper, and renders a summary, as required by law . . . or even goes further and makes public everything legally allowed to be made public from that report--which goes way beyond what the law requires. THAT'S how Congress is to accomplish criminal oversight--by having DOJ do it.

TAZ · May 24, 2019

I’m confused as to the PC used to subpoena the information. Barr needs to be looking into privacy law violations and pressing charges against folks.

If they can do this to a connected rich guy, we are all screwed!!

zincwarrior · May 24, 2019

diesel1959 said:
No, that's not kinda what you said. Sorry.

I, for one, do NOT want a law requiring candidates for federal office to release their last ten year's income tax forms. I couldn't care less if idiots wish to voluntarily release theirs; however, I happen to think one is a dumbass to to do so. And I don't want a law requiring folks to be dumbasses.

Well that's like, your opinion, man...

zincwarrior · May 24, 2019

TAZ said:
I’m confused as to the PC used to subpoena the information. Barr needs to be looking into privacy law violations and pressing charges against folks.

If they can do this to a connected rich guy, we are all screwed!!

That's for crimes. This is not under criminal laws.

Army 1911 · May 24, 2019

Wait untill they leak the info to the press. That would be a crime, I think. Sopeana each committee members under the guise of campaign reform.

C_Hallbert · May 24, 2019

Renegade said:
This really bad for the country. Using these powers to fight your political enemies has no end. When Rs get back House, they then will investigate Biden's kids, Chelsea Clinton, get Clinton tax returns since 2016, there is no end.

I do not believe our current crop of Republicans have the testicles to retaliate in kind. Weak, weak, weak.....

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AustinN4 · May 24, 2019

C_Hallbert said:
I do not believe our current crop of Republicans have the testicles to retaliate in kind. Weak, weak, weak.....

Except for Trump, so very true.

C_Hallbert · May 24, 2019

AustinN4 said:
Except for Trump, so very true.

I was referring to Congress..... , but point conceded. Trump carries a whole lot of brass in his shorts.

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diesel1959 · May 25, 2019

zincwarrior said:
Well that's like, your opinion, man...

The Dude. Last refuge of slackitude.

toddnjoyce · May 25, 2019

TAZ said:
I’m confused as to the PC used to subpoena the information. Barr needs to be looking into privacy law violations and pressing charges against folks.

If they can do this to a connected rich guy, we are all screwed!!

A congressional subpoena and a legal subpoena are two different things.

A congressional subpoena does not require probable cause. Congress can subpoena people and information to inform the legislative or the oversight processes.

Oversight is a broad term; in this particular instance, the congressional subpoena is an oversight subpoena, from the Financial Services Committee, to inform the committee on “possible foreign influence” in the 2016 election.

One protection people have is that it’s incredibly difficult to compel a person to testify. DOJ isn’t the enforcer for Congressional subpoenas, it’s the Sergeant at Arms office. However, that’s a power play that doesn’t really go over well today, so Congress generally refers non-responsive parties in a civil suit to get a judgement from a federal court to compel an appearance or providing the information.

In those cases, the bar that has to be met is legislative purpose, and oversight can be a legitimate legislative purpose.

karlac · May 25, 2019

Bottom line: in this, and other political machinations by a political party, the Federal judiciary is being misused in an effort to circumvent our Constitutional separation of powers.

This has to to be stopped, or we lose our Republic, if not lost already...

If SCOTUS does not confront this in a strict constructionist manner, a repeat of 1775 will be our last chance.

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