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  • easy rider

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    Abramski sale was legal. The fact he lied on the form when he bought it does not change that.

    Shipley sale was also legal. The fact he lied to LEO or should have had a license does not make the sale illegal.

    Hence why neither of the defendants or recipients were charged with illegally selling a firearm. Nobody engaged in an illegal sale of a firearm.

    For the record, there is no law against straw purchases.
    http://www.tpr.org/post/supreme-court-rules-against-gun-straw-purchases
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    You are the victim of believing the Fake News Media Spin.

    There is no law against "Straw Purchases". Abramski was not charged with making a "Straw Purchase". He was charged with lying on the 4473.

    "Police later found the receipt after searching Abramski's home in connection with another crime. He was sentenced to five years of probation for lying on the federal form by representing himself as the actual buyer."

    Reading is Fundamental.
     

    Shady

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    But but but my feeeeeelllllingggggssssss are enough to use a BOS.

    No I don't use them If I really wanted the gun I might sign one with my left hand.



    And one more time,

    Nobody yet has shown a case where a BOS got them out of legal jeopardy.
     

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    #FakeNews
    You are the victim of believing the Fake News Media Spin.

    There is no law against "Straw Purchases". Abramski was not charged with making a "Straw Purchase". He was charged with lying on the 4473.

    "Police later found the receipt after searching Abramski's home in connection with another crime. He was sentenced to five years of probation for lying on the federal form by representing himself as the actual buyer."

    Reading is Fundamental.
    Which in effect means he was buying it to sell to someone else. (straw purchase). Would it had been sold if he said he was buying it for someone else?

    And one more time,

    Nobody yet has shown a case where a BOS got them out of legal jeopardy.
    And that's where you are wrong. I can come up with plenty of cases against that, now narrowing it down to firearms would take more research. Of course, your original post about that was a bit different.
    There is just no scenario ever presented, where a BOS helped someone get out of trouble.
     

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    Which in effect means he was buying it to sell to someone else. (straw purchase). Would it had been sold if he said he was buying it for someone else?

    Which is NOT illegal.

    And that's where you are wrong.

    No I am not wrong. Feel free to link to a post where someone gave an example.

    I can come up with plenty of cases against that, now narrowing it down to firearms would take more research.

    Sure you can. But until you do, this statement is correct:

    There is just no scenario ever presented, where a BOS helped someone get out of trouble.
     

    easy rider

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    Sorry, went shooting.

    Although it's difficult to find specific cases without paying a case search site, (I may talk to the justice dept. at the college on searching cases), I did find many law firms, many in Texas including Texas Law Shield, that state that a buyer should get a bill of sale especially from a private seller and they do give legal reasons why. I still maintain that a transaction should be up to both the buyer and seller. Stating an unlawful activity as a reason in a lawful transaction to not to use a bill of sale is bogus.
     

    diesel1959

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    Which ones would those be? Because the ones we have mentioned in this thread (Abramski and Shipley) were both legal sales.

    Also waiting on you example of how a BOS got someone out of trouble.
    Exactly. The Shipley case was a situation of a lawful sale; however, the BOS (and a bunch of other BOSs) became evidence that Shipley had been doing a LOT of sales and should have gotten himself a license to do so. In essence, he was conducting a firearms business without being licensed to do so.
     

    Renegade

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    Exactly. The Shipley case was a situation of a lawful sale; however, the BOS (and a bunch of other BOSs) became evidence that Shipley had been doing a LOT of sales and should have gotten himself a license to do so. In essence, he was conducting a firearms business without being licensed to do so.

    Irony is if Shipley had applied for an FFL, he would have been denied.
     
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