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  • zackmars

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    For the price. The Walther trigger left a lot to be desired and only holds 15 rounds.

    Canik is $435 and Walther is $735. For that additional $300 you get less capacity and adjustable sights.

    Most ppq's I've seen are around $500 unless you are talking about the 5" guns.

    You also get Walther's customer service, which is very good. You aren't dealing with some importer and a company with no US presence.

    Walther makes 17 round mags, and some of the larger canik mags will lock in and feed in a ppq, though they may not lock open
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    DyeF9

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    For the price. The Walther trigger left a lot to be desired and only holds 15 rounds.

    Canik is $435 and Walther is $735. For that additional $300 you get less capacity and adjustable sights.
    What issue did you have with the PPQ trigger?

    Mine was decent when I first got it, but it broke in nicely within about 500 rounds. My only complaint about the PPQ is the massive slide. I also only paid about $500 for it brand new.



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    GoPappy

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    Most ppq's I've seen are around $500 unless you are talking about the 5" guns. . . .

    Yep, the 5" one is $500 is CDNN and the regular 4" one is $440 there. Just got an email from them yesterday.

    The CZ SP-01 Phantom (basically a polymer SP-01 Tactical) is $440 also and holds 18+1. It has a 4.6" barrel.

    After having (and selling) the PPQ M1, and currently having the SP-01 Tactical, I'd take the SP-01 Phantom every time over the PPQ. Just my personal preference. YMMV.
     

    Sam7sf

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    Well,

    That’s a pompous ass reply if I’ve ever heard one.
    I really don’t see how me going to meets or not has anything to do with anything.
    Seriously? You remove the rest of his quote and then say you don’t see how going to a meet as anything to do with anything.

    I didn’t see what he posted as pompous, but that’s because I met the guy and know what context his post has. It’s easy to forget that without meeting people, you’re chances of misinterpretating the post are good.

    Let it go. It’s no big deal. Let’s get back to cz vs Canik.
     

    A & P

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    I haven't shot any of the Caniks yet, but dry fire I think they've got the best out of the box trigger yet. When I had them to customers to say "now try this", they dart their eyes back up at me like "What the??" Very very nice. Then they look at the price and start wanting to doubt something. Like, "nice trigger, great price, must be a POS gun then, right?" I can't attest to reliability or shootability, but the handling and trigger seem great in the store. I also like the P10C trigger for different reasons. We carry the threaded barrel version because we sell a lot of silencers. However, when shooting it, it seems the beavertail angle doesn't fit my hand well. I get a horrible rub on my thumb knuckle that I don't really get from any other gun.

    Glocks don't fit my hands so while I CAN shoot them well, I gave up my 19 for a 1911 and never regretted it. Point is, we can only advise so much. At some point you'll just have to try them and find out for yourself. There's not a universal right answer for which is better in most cases.
     

    Sam7sf

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    I haven't shot any of the Caniks yet, but dry fire I think they've got the best out of the box trigger yet. When I had them to customers to say "now try this", they dart their eyes back up at me like "What the??" Very very nice. Then they look at the price and start wanting to doubt something. Like, "nice trigger, great price, must be a POS gun then, right?" I can't attest to reliability or shootability, but the handling and trigger seem great in the store. I also like the P10C trigger for different reasons. We carry the threaded barrel version because we sell a lot of silencers. However, when shooting it, it seems the beavertail angle doesn't fit my hand well. I get a horrible rub on my thumb knuckle that I don't really get from any other gun.

    Glocks don't fit my hands so while I CAN shoot them well, I gave up my 19 for a 1911 and never regretted it. Point is, we can only advise so much. At some point you'll just have to try them and find out for yourself. There's not a universal right answer for which is better in most cases.
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    TundraWookiee

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    At some point you'll just have to try them and find out for yourself. There's not a universal right answer for which is better in most cases.

    I went by a local CZ distributor last week and got to dry fire the P10C. Gun felt good in my hand and trigger was great. Meeting up with some guys this weekend to shoot a Canik so hopefully be able to make an informed decision soon.
     

    claymore504

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    Out of your options I would go CZ, but would go with a P09 since you said it will be a range gun only. The P09 is outstanding and can be made more awesome with some CGW parts! There are a few P09s on Texas Gun Trader right now for good prices.

    As for the P10C, I am not a fan of it. had some major issues when it first came out. However, if you are set on it, look at the P10F since it will be a range gun.

    My P09 UG/SR is an excellent shooter. Added a couple CGW parts.
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    gshayd

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    I own a Canik TP9SA and a TP9SFX. I also own a CZ 75B and a CZ 75 SP-01 Phantom. the Canick factory is iso 9000 and NATO certified. They also have Sarsilamaz who is NATO certified and makes pistols. Turkey/Ottoman has been making firearms since 1396. The Canik is a CZ clone. I chuckle at the line from what I have heard..... I am very happy with all four pistols. Canik and Silz have been big sellers in Europe. Canik has started making it to our shores. I think you would be happy whichever way you decide to go. I think they could all use some trigger work. However, I won't make that decision till I get more rounds downrange to let things settle in. I also own my First Walther and I am happy with that.
     
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    TundraWookiee

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    Out of your options I would go CZ, but would go with a P09 since you said it will be a range gun only. The P09 is outstanding and can be made more awesome with some CGW parts! There are a few P09s on Texas Gun Trader right now for good prices.
    I'll check it out. I'm not typically too crazy about DA/SA and therefore don't keep too many hammer-fired pistols. I also held a P07 and didn't like how it felt in my hand but I'll see if the P09 is any different.
     

    rmantoo

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    I bought one of the first series of Canik 9mms back in 2014 or 15 and had it shipped directly to Cajun Gun Works. Spent about $200 having the trigger worked on and sights replaced.

    Liked it ok, but after putting about 2000 rounds through it, I sold it to a cousin for exactly what I had in it.

    I later bought a TP9SA...sent it to CGW, same scenario, and sold it to a friend... CZs are, for me, better pistols out of the box. Nothing wrong with the Caniks, I just think CZ has had longer to perfect their design and production systems.
     
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    phoenix

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    I have the cz p07 and its a great gun came with night sights. I forget what i paid for it but the prices i have seen are about aveage and decent. I really like the 1911 and it reminds me of the trigger. Not familiar with canik
     

    TheMailMan

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    I own a Canik TP9SA and a TP9SFX. I also own a CZ 75B and a CZ 75 SP-01 Phantom. the Canick factory is iso 9000 and NATO certified. They also have Sarsilamaz who is NATO certified and makes pistols. Turkey/Ottoman has been making firearms since 1396. The Canik is a CZ clone. I chuckle at the line from what I have heard..... I am very happy with all four pistols. Canik and Silz have been big sellers in Europe. Canik has started making it to our shores. I think you would be happy whichever way you decide to go. I think they could all use some trigger work. However, I won't make that decision till I get more rounds downrange to let things settle in. I also own my First Walther and I am happy with that.

    I'm not sure how you think a Canik is a CZ clone. CZ pistols have the slide riding inside the rails. Canik pistols have them outside the rails.
     

    Ozzman

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    I'm not sure how you think a Canik is a CZ clone. CZ pistols have the slide riding inside the rails. Canik pistols have them outside the rails.
    No, he is right. He just didn't see that the OP stated the "TP9 series".

    Canik and TriStar are one in the same and they also make CZ variants such as the Stingray, Shark, C100, T100, and the T120. Fantastic pistols, but not 100% up to par with true CZ firearms and slightly better than EAA. I think this is what he meant.
     

    Darkpriest667

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    I haven't shot any of the Caniks yet, but dry fire I think they've got the best out of the box trigger yet. When I had them to customers to say "now try this", they dart their eyes back up at me like "What the??" Very very nice. Then they look at the price and start wanting to doubt something. Like, "nice trigger, great price, must be a POS gun then, right?" I can't attest to reliability or shootability, but the handling and trigger seem great in the store. I also like the P10C trigger for different reasons. We carry the threaded barrel version because we sell a lot of silencers. However, when shooting it, it seems the beavertail angle doesn't fit my hand well. I get a horrible rub on my thumb knuckle that I don't really get from any other gun.

    Glocks don't fit my hands so while I CAN shoot them well, I gave up my 19 for a 1911 and never regretted it. Point is, we can only advise so much. At some point you'll just have to try them and find out for yourself. There's not a universal right answer for which is better in most cases.


    I have over 5000 rounds through my TP9SF and the only time it failed was because I got to something ridiculous like 1700 rounds without cleaning it as a testing thing. Now I clean it after every range trip. I've not gone past 1000 with my TP9SF Elite because I figured if it can go 1000 rounds reliably without cleaning we're good to go. It has about 2500 rounds through it.

    I regularly say it has the nicest stock trigger I've ever fired and tons of people call BS and I ask them if theyve shot it and they say no. :-)
     

    rmantoo

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    I really need to try a TP9SF. After my first 2 canik experiences, I don't have high enough hopes to order one without trying it first.
     

    Ozzman

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    I really need to try a TP9SF. After my first 2 canik experiences, I don't have high enough hopes to order one without trying it first.
    You really should. Although I have never really been a hardcore Glock snob, I was one that always said you could never beat them (and yes, I own 1911's too lol). All that changed when I bought the TP9SA a few years ago. It eventually led to me getting the TP9SF and SF Elite, and they have quickly become my EDC pistols pushing my Glocks to the bedside and/or the safe.

    Don't get me wrong, Glocks are great but the TP9 series edges them out on overall cost, trigger function, and standard capacity. In my experience the reliability is the same in both so I went with Canik. I cast and reload thousands of rounds of 9mm per year, and I feed them to my TP9s.. I don't use cast in my Glocks thus I practice waaay more with them over my G19 or 17.

    FYI, I am not being paid for this lol.
     

    TheDan

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    Caniks are cheap guns..do they work..sure.
    So does a Hi Point.
    From what I’ve heard, the triggers suck horribly

    I just don’t see the upside of buying one personally.

    I’ve got a CZ 75B, damn fine weapon, good trigger.
    It will hold value...
    Canik...not so much.
    It's not the 80s/90s anymore. He isn't talking about the Canik CZ clones.

    Even then, the Canik CZ clones are 90% as good as a CZ at 50% the cost. Worth it... I've always liked CZ, but in the last 15 years or so their prices have gone up so much that they aren't the great buy they used to be.

    The Canik Walther clones are actually a lot nicer than the P99 they are based on. I think they are on par with the PPQ, which is damn impressive for the price.

    So now you've heard different :laughing:
     
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