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  • TexasPatriot1916

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    If a Cop pulls you over on a traffic stop and you are openly carrying a Private Sales Long-gun, Or Pistol in the car does he have the right to lookup the serial # of each firearm and if so how do you prove its not stolen if it was a private sale ?
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    BRD@66

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    We had a similar thread based on the story that there's a LEO (shurf I think) in east TX that does this routinely. He's "the man" so he can. Checking for stolen will yield results if it has been reported stolen. In that case, as a TGTer, you'll be SOL, cause TGTers don't get BOSs.
    Also, If you're open carrying the pistol, you need to be licensed & have it holstered.
     

    bigwheel

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    Well would caution any Texicans dont be openly carrying a pistol in a car. Keep that hid. If he is a nosey rookie and axe do you got one? You say yes its in lock down in the glove box or in my pocket etc. Rookies are well armed and highly dangerous just ready to pop a cap on an alleged perp bad guy. Dont give em any excuses. Thanks.
     

    bigwheel

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    So I have to prove I didn't commit a crime even if no crime was reported?

    Guilty until proven innocent? I thought it was the other way around.
    Whatever your smoking one of my old Viet Nam Vet pals will take two bags. He will prob just need to know how much is it and where to send the money.
     

    jrbfishn

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    Well would caution any Texicans dont be openly carrying a pistol in a car. Keep that hid. If he is a nosey rookie and axe do you got one? You say yes its in lock down in the glove box or in my pocket etc. Rookies are well armed and highly dangerous just ready to pop a cap on an alleged perp bad guy. Dont give em any excuses. Thanks.
    I hope that is some kind of sarcasm because you make very little sense.

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    Shady

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    Ya because we all know a hand written scrap of paper with a couple of names scribbled on it saying I bought this stolen gun from joe blow will keep you from taking the ride.


    We had a similar thread based on the story that there's a LEO (shurf I think) in east TX that does this routinely. He's "the man" so he can. Checking for stolen will yield results if it has been reported stolen. In that case, as a TGTer, you'll be SOL, cause TGTers don't get BOSs.
    Also, If you're open carrying the pistol, you need to be licensed & have it holstered.
     

    Hoji

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    (a) A person commits an offense if he unlawfully appropriates property with intent to deprive the owner of property.

    (b) Appropriation of property is unlawful if:

    (1) it is without the owner's effective consent;

    (2) the property is stolen and the actor appropriates the property knowing it was stolen by another;

    Penal code 31.03
     

    Dawico

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    Whatever your smoking one of my old Viet Nam Vet pals will take two bags. He will prob just need to know how much is it and where to send the money.
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    Charlie

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    If a Cop pulls you over on a traffic stop and you are openly carrying a Private Sales Long-gun, Or Pistol in the car does he have the right to lookup the serial # of each firearm and if so how do you prove its not stolen if it was a private sale ?
    I don't believe (at this point) in the "vehicle search" that one has to "prove" something is not stolen! There is also the "probable cause" thingy in the law.
     

    toddnjoyce

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    If a Cop pulls you over on a traffic stop and you are openly carrying a Private Sales Long-gun, Or Pistol in the car does he have the right to lookup the serial # of each firearm and if so how do you prove its not stolen if it was a private sale ?

    If LEO stops you, they have broad discretion to disarm you for officer safety. Some agencies believe any firearms they encounter should be subject to a NICS stolen property check.

    On its face, LEOs have zero knowledge how you came into possession of the firearm. All they know is there’s a firearm in your possession.
     

    majormadmax

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    Well would caution any Texicans dont be openly carrying a pistol in a car. Keep that hid. If he is a nosey rookie and axe do you got one? You say yes its in lock down in the glove box or in my pocket etc. Rookies are well armed and highly dangerous just ready to pop a cap on an alleged perp bad guy. Dont give em any excuses. Thanks.

    First, licensed carriers can openly carry a handgun in their vehicle, so you're off the mark on that one.

    Secondly, "rookies" are no more armed than any other officer, and most cops carry Glocks or S&W M&P handguns, so they are no more "well armed" than the general public; so again you're spouting unsubstantiated information.

    Lastly, while probationary officers don't have the experience of seasoned ones; they are not "just ready to pop a cap on an alleged perp bad guy" as you claim. As someone who helps train police cadets, I have great respect for how well level-headed and mature these young officers are; far greater than most of the general public. I worry a lot less about peace officers than I do your average LTC/CHL holder, as they have had a lot more training and practice in the use of force and alternate means to handle stressful situations. You should be so well educated!
     

    majormadmax

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    If a Cop pulls you over on a traffic stop and you are openly carrying a Private Sales Long-gun, Or Pistol in the car does he have the right to lookup the serial # of each firearm and if so how do you prove its not stolen if it was a private sale ?

    It's unlikely the officer is going to run the serial numbers of any weapons you have in the vehicle unless there is probable cause or reasonable suspicion to do so, but they have the same right to do so as they do to run your registration when they pull you over or check your LTC/CHL if you are carrying openly. Whether they do so or not is up to the discretion of the officer.

    How you act and react will determine how the stop will play out, I have found being polite and cooperative is the best tactic for a quick and usually positive outcome.

    As I have mentioned before, I was the subject of a call to the police of a "man shooting at a billboard" at a Valero station while purchasing a .22 rifle. The responding officer asked us a few quick questions from his vehicle and realized we weren't a threat. I even offered my ID and for him to inspect the rifle to show it hadn't be fired (I was checking out the scope by pointing it at a nearby billboard), and he said neither was necessary. He thanked us for our time, apologized but explained he had to investigate the call (understandably), and departed. The entire encounter was less than a couple of minutes.

    The police are not the enemy, they are just trying to do a tough job and they don't know you from Adam.
     

    Shady

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    I would change that last part to Most officers are not the enemy
    Just like in all jobs some are total jerks


    It's unlikely the officer is going to run the serial numbers of any weapons you have in the vehicle unless there is probable cause or reasonable suspicion to do so, but they have the same right to do so as they do to run your registration when they pull you over or check your LTC/CHL if you are carrying openly. Whether they do so or not is up to the discretion of the officer.

    How you act and react will determine how the stop will play out, I have found being polite and cooperative is the best tactic for a quick and usually positive outcome.

    As I have mentioned before, I was the subject of a call to the police of a "man shooting at a billboard" at a Valero station while purchasing a .22 rifle. The responding officer asked us a few quick questions from his vehicle and realized we weren't a threat. I even offered my ID and for him to inspect the rifle to show it hadn't be fired (I was checking out the scope by pointing it at a nearby billboard), and he said neither was necessary. He thanked us for our time, apologized but explained he had to investigate the call (understandably), and departed. The entire encounter was less than a couple of minutes.

    The police are not the enemy, they are just trying to do a tough job and they don't know you from Adam.
     

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    It's unlikely the officer is going to run the serial numbers of any weapons you have in the vehicle unless there is probable cause or reasonable suspicion to do so, but they have the same right to do so as they do to run your registration when they pull you over or check your LTC/CHL if you are carrying openly. Whether they do so or not is up to the discretion of the officer.

    How you act and react will determine how the stop will play out, I have found being polite and cooperative is the best tactic for a quick and usually positive outcome.

    As I have mentioned before, I was the subject of a call to the police of a "man shooting at a billboard" at a Valero station while purchasing a .22 rifle. The responding officer asked us a few quick questions from his vehicle and realized we weren't a threat. I even offered my ID and for him to inspect the rifle to show it hadn't be fired (I was checking out the scope by pointing it at a nearby billboard), and he said neither was necessary. He thanked us for our time, apologized but explained he had to investigate the call (understandably), and departed. The entire encounter was less than a couple of minutes.

    The police are not the enemy, they are just trying to do a tough job and they don't know you from Adam.
    I have had serial number checks done on about half of the times I have been stopped. APD has checked every time, including when I was injured in an auto accident after being rear ended at a light.
     

    sharkey

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    If a Cop pulls you over on a traffic stop and you are openly carrying a Private Sales Long-gun, Or Pistol in the car does he have the right to lookup the serial # of each firearm and if so how do you prove its not stolen if it was a private sale ?
    Is there a story to go with this or is this just a hypothetical? We still do not have an outcome from the last thread similar to this one.

    Does he have the right? Most would say yes. IF it does come back stolen, you will not prove anything on the stop, you will have to do that in court.

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