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  • HKShooter65

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    You are all over the place. You say there is scant debate and we are all on the same side yet you say DT and democrats should acquiesce to each other and then say there is little disagreement?? It is almost like you just wear blinders.
    We already have a lot of technological tools on the border so much so that my aunt got stopped 100 mi from the border for giving off a nuclear signature (she was getting cancer treatment and her son is a BP agent) What we don't have is a wall.
    There is so much division btw DT and democrats that Pelosi spoke of bringing impeachment against him. There is so much division btw citizens and leftist socialists that they go around wearing a mask tearing chit up all the while calling us racist hateful bigots.
    Your comments would be laughable if they weren't so short side.

    Traffickers of humans and dope come across the border, illegals murder citizens to include cops on a routine basis, Korans have been found on border trails and we can argue if there really is an Islamic training camp in Mexico and democrats despite loving to spend my money, don't want to give 5B to build a wall? Drop in the bucket to what the budget is (the debt we can't pay off).

    You want Mexico to pay for it? How about a 10% surcharge for all the money that gets wired back to Mexico?

    Your post could be the basis of a sociology student's Phd dissertation.

    We are really not disagreeing. You confirm my allegation.

    Thanks.

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    Remember when Trump offered amnesty for millions of illegals and the Dems said no about a year ago?



    They aren’t interested in compromise.



    That said, plenty of constitutional conservatives have huge reservations about going the national emergency route. I do believe it would eventually lead to Dems claiming a national emergency on global warming in order to force “green new deal” initiatives.


    I’d rather Trump just hold his ground. He’s already willing to sign a bill with everything the Dems have put in it, just add the wall funding. And they said no.

    He made a good address despite HK being upset he didn’t go off the cuff and say something silly. He made good points and left the MSM with nothing. The Dem response was an embarrassment because they had nothing to argue against.

    Meanwhile CNN is sending their best NPC to the border where he is doing a fine job of showing how well the wall works and San Diego local news is tweeting about how CNN called them wanting a wall story but then dropping it when they found out it was working very well.




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    He made a good address despite HK being upset he didn’t go off the cuff and say something silly.


    No. I was actually hoping he'd go extemporaneously off the cuff and look presidential.

    In my fantasy world I could imagine Trump having taken an hour of out time this past week.
    Here is my abbreviated fantasy script for his recent Oval Office address:
    .................................


    My fellow Americans, I am Donald Trump. Ted Cruz is introducing a bill on my behalf.
    I want approval for 3 billion dollars for improvements to the US/Mexico physical barrier.
    ---insert Corp of Engineers with powerpoint showing when/where/what will de done to improve the existing wall.

    I am asking congress for 2 billion dollars to hire more border control personnel.
    ---insert Border Patrol chief with presentation showing where expanded manpower will be deployed.

    I am asking congress to allocate an additional 3 billion dollars to develop the most effective and advanced computer technology for border command, control, security and safety that the world has ever known.
    ---insert Apple Geek with cloud based wall-surveillance iPhone app.

    Finally I want congress to make an additional one billion dollars available to the Border Control leadership to use as they see fit. They are the experts. They know where they need the resources.
    ---insert pictures of open Smithsonian doors and clean Yellowstone toilets and legions of proud TSA agents.


    Thank you and God bless you.
    I'm Donald Trump and I approve this message.

    ...........................

    Pelosi and Schumer would turn to two pillars of salt and be unable to reply.

    Both houses of congress would pass Mr. Cruz' legislation.


    My real underlying point YG....
    Had Mr. Trump acted as a leader acts and presented a compromise he'd have secured a more favorable place in the class of 2059 history books.


    It's not too late Mr. Trump. Please?
     
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    No. I was actually hoping he'd go extemporaneously off the cuff and look presidential.

    In my fantasy world I could imagine Trump having taken an hour of out time this past week.
    Here is my abbreviated fantasy script for his recent Oval Office address:
    .................................


    My fellow Americans, I am Donald Trump. Ted Cruz is introducing a bill on my behalf.
    I want approval for 3 billion dollars for improvements to the US/Mexico physical barrier.
    ---insert Corp of Engineers with powerpoint showing when/where/what will de done to improve the existing wall.

    I am asking congress for 2 billion dollars to hire more border control personnel.
    ---insert Border Patrol chief with presentation showing where expanded manpower will be deployed.

    I am asking congress to allocate an additional 3 billion dollars to develop the most effective and advanced computer technology for border command, control, security and safety that the world has ever known.
    ---insert Apple Geek with cloud based wall-surveillance iPhone app.

    Finally I want congress to make an additional one billion dollars available to the Border Control leadership to use as they see fit. They are the experts. They know where they need the resources.
    ---insert pictures of open Smithsonian doors and clean Yellowstone toilets and legions of proud TSA agents.


    Thank you and God bless you.
    I'm Donald Trump and I approve this message.

    ...........................

    Pelosi and Schumer would turn to two pillars of salt and be unable to reply.

    Both houses of congress would pass Mr. Cruz' legislation.


    My real underlying point YG....
    Had Mr. Trump acted as a leader acts and presented a compromise he'd have secured a more favorable place in the class of 2059 history books.


    It's not too late Mr. Trump. Please?
    This pains me to say it, but I agree with you.

    My apologies, I won’t do it again.
     

    satx78247

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    No. I was actually hoping he'd go extemporaneously off the cuff and look presidential.

    In my fantasy world I could imagine Trump having taken an hour of out time this past week.
    Here is my abbreviated fantasy script for his recent Oval Office address:
    .................................


    My fellow Americans, I am Donald Trump. Ted Cruz is introducing a bill on my behalf.
    I want approval for 3 billion dollars for improvements to the US/Mexico physical barrier.
    ---insert Corp of Engineers with powerpoint showing when/where/what will de done to improve the existing wall.

    I am asking congress for 2 billion dollars to hire more border control personnel.
    ---insert Border Patrol chief with presentation showing where expanded manpower will be deployed.

    I am asking congress to allocate an additional 3 billion dollars to develop the most effective and advanced computer technology for border command, control, security and safety that the world has ever known.
    ---insert Apple Geek with cloud based wall-surveillance iPhone app.

    Finally I want congress to make an additional one billion dollars available to the Border Control leadership to use as they see fit. They are the experts. They know where they need the resources.
    ---insert pictures of open Smithsonian doors and clean Yellowstone toilets and legions of proud TSA agents.


    Thank you and God bless you.
    I'm Donald Trump and I approve this message.

    ...........................

    Pelosi and Schumer would turn to two pillars of salt and be unable to reply.

    Both houses of congress would pass Mr. Cruz' legislation.


    My real underlying point YG....
    Had Mr. Trump acted as a leader acts and presented a compromise he'd have secured a more favorable place in the class of 2059 history books.


    It's not too late Mr. Trump. Please?


    HKSHooter,

    SORRY but you are 100% WRONG. - IF President Trump gives an inch to the HATEFUL, BIGOTED, LEFTIST MORONS of the DIMocRATS Party the DIMs will NOT do anything except falsely accuse him of RACISM, being MEAN-SPIRITED & DISHONEST.

    You & every other "Pollyanna" here needs to figure out that the Congressional DIMocRATS are interested in just TWO things: MORE MONEY & WINNING in 2020.
    Furthermore, IF the POTUS suggested a "compromise" like that, the so-called "mainstream media" would simply do more hateful, nasty & FALSE attacks on the POTUS.

    The simple TRUTH is that the LEFTISTS are ANTI-AMERICAN SOCIALISTS & are quite willing to sell us all out to get their LEFTIST agenda passed.

    yours, satx
     
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    Younggun

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    Trump has already offered compromises and they wouldn’t accept them.

    His compromise since this has started is that as long as the budget has the wall funding, he will sign it. That’s a hell of a deal for what amounts to 11 or so minutes worth of federal funding.

    The Dems don’t care. They only know “orange man bad”. Just doing what they were programmed to do.

    And they looked like idiots responding to Trump after his Oval Office address. Might not have been as tough and “Trumpy” as some would like, but the MSM and the Dems had nothing to bash him with. It was a smart play.


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    satx78247

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    Trump has already offered compromises and they wouldn’t accept them.

    His compromise since this has started is that as long as the budget has the wall funding, he will sign it. That’s a hell of a deal for what amounts to 11 or so minutes worth of federal funding.

    The Dems don’t care. They only know “orange man bad”. Just doing what they were programmed to do.

    And they looked like idiots responding to Trump after his Oval Office address. Might not have been as tough and “Trumpy” as some would like, but the MSM and the Dems had nothing to bash him with. It was a smart play.


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    Younggun,

    You are 100% CORRECT, said it better than I did AND in fewer words, too.

    TRUST NOTHING that the LEFTIST DIMocRATS claim, as the DIMs are simply POWER-HUNGRY, IMMORAL & UTTERLY DISHONEST.

    yours, satx
     

    HKShooter65

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    HKSHooter,

    SORRY but you are 100% WRONG. - IF President Trump gives an inch to the HATEFUL, BIGOTED, LEFTIST MORONS of the DIMocRATS Party t


    Me at my most inarticulate:
    Leaders compromise.
    Dictators stay dicks.
    ..............................

    Churchill and Lincoln mastered the art of compromise such that they, at the end of day, got more that they asked for in the first place.

    Trump the skilled statesman could get far more for border security than he has asked for the "Big Beautiful Wall" as he's phrased it.

    ................................

    Why should he back away from the $5-6 billion, you might ask???
    Primarily because it's not a real number to begin with.
    He picked 5.6 billion because it sounded "Bigish" and gave the false illusion that he was basing it on engineering plans or architectural design. It is no such thing. I think he got the number searching his sigmoid late one night.

    His $5.6 billion for the wall is a confabulated number picked for simpleton sound bites.
    The engineers and architects and those subject matter experts say his wall would cost between 8 and 67 billion from what I've read.

    ................................
    So, were he to back down the number to 3-4 billion for the wall and simultaneously ask for another 6-8 billion for personnel and tech solutions and whatever the true experts in border security need he would become the compromising statesman out nation we need. He would gain the support of the American people on both sides that he is now tragically lacking.

    ........................

    If Trump succeeds out national well being is advanced. I want what we all want in that regard.

    .........................
    BTW I know some very accomplished and educated Democrats, some in my local government and judiciary.
    None of them seem to be hateful, bigoted, immoral, dishonest or moronic (pardon my lower case font) in any way.
    I'm really really wondering where you acquire your adjectives and opinions.
     
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    One of the reasons Trump is successful is that he's a businessman not a politician. He isn't thinking what's good for politics, he's thinking what's good for business.
     

    toddnjoyce

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    Lest ye all forget, if Congress, specifically the House, wanted to win, they’d all get behind a CR or appropriations bill that Trump would veto and then they would override with a 2/3ds vote.

    Until the House decides to go down this path, all this is just a power play. When your the Speaker of the House and getting into a power play with the President pretty much on day 1, you’ve got to be very confident in your success or have an ulterior motive.

    I’m curious if Pelosi is going to try to push what Trump wants and tie a shitload of gun control to it.
     

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    I’m curious if Pelosi is going to try to push what Trump wants and tie a shitload of gun control to it.[/QUOTE]

    Wish you hadn't said that!!! May not sleep tonight.
     

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    I’m curious if Pelosi is going to try to push what Trump wants and tie a shitload of gun control to it.

    Wish you hadn't said that!!! May not sleep tonight.[/QUOTE]


    digger,

    Don't sweat it. = NO "gun control" will in our lifetime will pass the US Senate, barring an armed insurrection.
    (Everyone in the DIMocRATS Party, except the least intelligent of their members, KNOW that that would be "the kiss of DEATH" for their future as a NATIONAL party.)

    To kow-tow to their LEFTIST FRINGE GROUP, they will BLATHER/RANT/WHINE about "more gun control" & then quietly NOT do anything to actually pass it into law.

    yours, satx
     

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    The article at townhall said, "It's all part of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus BOLD PAC winter retreat". I did not know that there was another racist caucus other than the 'black caucus' Why in hell do we allow such racist groups in our government? How long would it take for the left too start screaming racism if a white caucus was formed?
     

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    roadrunner,

    OR a NATIVE AMERICAN caucus of us (As all too may elitists call us: Blanket-@ssed Injuns or REDSKINS.
    (NO the LEFT doesn't like us much, as to quote a recent comment on the Democratic Underground, "Those people are just too conservative, PRO-America, too many are military veterans & some of them are even Republicans.")

    Do you DOUBT what the DIMocRATS would say about me, if I described either Blacks or Latinos as, "Those people"??
    (OF COURSE, if you aren't one of the "favored groups" of the FAR LEFT DIMocRATS, you are automatically deemed: RACIST, homophobic, mean-spirited, warmongers, etc.)

    yours, satx
     

    HKShooter65

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    Enough politics for now.

    Though, serendipitously, I've been listening to Pink Floyd's "The Wall" beginning to end. It just seems right to do so.

    Somehow the song "Comfortably Numb" fits this week's mood.
    Striking and stupefying 1979 artistry.

    :)

    My daughter asked me a while back..."Dad, why don't they make bands like this any longer?".
    I think we were listening, quite loudly, to Pink Floyd's "Shine on You Crazy Diamond" on the way to our coast place at about 11:30 pm, driving through Sinton.

    I have a radiant recollection of that stellar daughter-moment. I lacked a meaningful response.
     
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    Wish you hadn't said that!!! May not sleep tonight.


    digger,

    Don't sweat it. = NO "gun control" will in our lifetime will pass the US Senate, barring an armed insurrection.
    (Everyone in the DIMocRATS Party, except the least intelligent of their members, KNOW that that would be "the kiss of DEATH" for their future as a NATIONAL party.)

    To kow-tow to their LEFTIST FRINGE GROUP, they will BLATHER/RANT/WHINE about "more gun control" & then quietly NOT do anything to actually pass it into law.

    yours, satx[/QUOTE]
    Eh, ah well, I went ahead a bought myself an AR today anyways. I figure I will just buy a new gun whenever they talk about it, for fun and all.
     
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